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Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by burtonator »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #131
askafriend wrote: post #43

Let’s say you’re using a Google API like Maps, and you violate terms by snapshotting sections of their maps and storing them on your severs so you can serve static maps without making API calls. They’d shut down your API access immediately Google and Facebook both knew the terms. They both knew that the Enterprise Distribution Program was for internal use only. They still put ads out in the wild to recruit regular co…

Well put. It is an interesting salvo in what I've started thinking of as the "data war." All three companies have a huge asset in data collection capability, and preventing the others from exploiting it is only the first skirmish among them. It will be interesting to see if Google offers to pay additional monies to Apple in order to "restore" this pipeline, and whether or not Apple will agree. In one sense, Apple alr…

Data wars is an understatement. Facebook is AMAZINGLY litigious on its data.

Do this. Create a fake company and say you wrote a spider to index Facebook public profile data and that you have like say 100GB ....

Watch how fast you get sued by Facebook.

Mind you this is public data that EVERYONE can see...

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Post by _bxg1 »

djohnston wrote: post #387
_bxg1 wrote: post #380

UPDATE: "Facebook’s internal iOS apps have since resumed functioning, as the social network said this afternoon that Apple had restored its enterprise certificate. Similarly, both Apple and Google’s statements make it clear that the companies are working together to fix Google’s issues." [siggghhh]

What else would you expect? They removed the app that was viotating tos, the other apps were in line w apples terms.

They revoked Google's certificate after they'd already taken down their app. This was supposed to be punishment for crossing the line; apparently it was just a fluffy PR move.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by stale2002 »

mcmoose75 wrote: post #290
askafriend wrote: post #43

Let’s say you’re using a Google API like Maps, and you violate terms by snapshotting sections of their maps and storing them on your severs so you can serve static maps without making API calls. They’d shut down your API access immediately Google and Facebook both knew the terms. They both knew that the Enterprise Distribution Program was for internal use only. They still put ads out in the wild to recruit regular co…

I agree that Google & FB violated the terms of the agreement they had with Apple. I think an interesting question is: What is Apple's best move from here? I would suggest that Apple should leave Google/ FB blocked for ~1-2 weeks, to remind them who's boss on the iOS platform. However, I would argue it'd be smart for them to switch them back on after that- there's a chance that this looks anticompetitive to regulators…

> I would suggest that Apple should leave Google/ FB blocked for ~1-2 weeks

Perhaps Google should shut down ever one of the servers that Apple is renting from them, for a couple weeks?

Or just block everyone on apple's campus/IP addresses from having access to any google services, search engines, ect?

The 2nd one probably wouldn't violate any contracts, so I don't see a problem with it.

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Post by cco »

askafriend wrote: post #43

Let’s say you’re using a Google API like Maps, and you violate terms by snapshotting sections of their maps and storing them on your severs so you can serve static maps without making API calls. They’d shut down your API access immediately Google and Facebook both knew the terms. They both knew that the Enterprise Distribution Program was for internal use only. They still put ads out in the wild to recruit regular co…

Who is acting offended? The article didn't mention anybody balking, where have you seen this?

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Post by Spivak »

3xblah wrote: post #457
SteveNuts wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they don't own the pictures, plain and simple.

I don't follow your reasoning. The question is why every time the user wants to look at a map she needs to let Google know, using computer network access for which the user must pay. Paper maps or maps stored on physical media do not have this requirement. The map company may "own the map" but the purchaser can look at the map anytime she wants, without any ongoing expense to keep the map company abreast of her trave…

Users wouldn't be prohibited from doing this for much the same reason people aren't prohibited from making personal copies of pages from books they own.

If you take a picture of Google Maps and then host it on your website without approval/paying Google and get caught you'll be hearing from their copyright lawyer.

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Post by [deleted] »

xd1936 wrote: post #445
benologist wrote: post #356

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If anything Google should be grateful Apple's support isn't as deliberately-shit as their own fake support system, they may yet resolve this instead of being banned for life.

Company-on-company support is an entirely different thing from customer support. These are developers with direct lines to one another. Google isn't filing a support ticket at an Apple Store.

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Post by flukus »

manigandham wrote: post #473
flukus wrote: post #425

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Yes it is, but if you're worried about that then this is a valuable lesson on why you should steer clear of apple products. Google knew this was the case and took the risk anyway, so they only have themselves to blame. It's not just apple either. Using facebook, gmail, anything in the cloud and/or anything hosted, basically anything not under your control exposes you to the same risk. Most people don't care until it…

You don't think there's a difference between a person buying an Apple device and Google working with Apple to run software on their devices?

Yes, google has no excuse not to know better. They did know better in fact, it's a selling point of their competing product. Corporations their size will typically run anything remotely important in house on their own machines so that they have control over it for exactly this sort of reason. Failing that they'll put contracts in place that specify notification periods and remediation steps so that the rug can't be pulled out from under them. Google knew this could happen and went ahead anyway, they accepted the risk and now they have to accept the consequences.

And let's not forget that google weren't working with apple, they were working around them.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by diffeomorphism »

jtd514 wrote: post #460
perfect_wave wrote: post #448

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What if Apple bought Duckduckgo?

Then they still need to build a search engine, DuckDuckGo is just a proxy for google.

They also have their own crawler https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot and additionally use several hundred "sources" for their results https://duck.co/help/results/sources with the main source seeming to be bing. I don't think google is one of these sources.
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