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Giving a candidate a "take-home assignment" is actually the most disrespectful of the options listed. Unless you're an awesome company, with really cool projects and offering me a jaw dropping salary and benefits, then no, I'm not going to do free work for you. Even if you are an awesome company, people probably have to actually work for you to see that, so no, I'm not going to do free work for you. I'd rather spend…
> I'm not going to do free work for you. It's kinda funny that so many people have this attitude, when, as a salaried employee, we likely have all done more than a standard 40-hour work week on occasion (or habitually), without extra compensation. Do you also consider time spent prepping for an interview (brushing up on algorithms, learning about the company, researching interview questions, whatever) as "doing free…
I have no side code projects to show you
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Because artists are usually sitting on their asses waiting for work, not already working 60 or 80 hours per week churning code.
If you're working 60 or 80 hours per week churning code, surely you have some code to show. Really now, the fact that you can't showcase what you've done for your previous company is an implementation detail. Using a portfolio to judge a candidate is perfectly valid and works great with other industries. The reasons why you don't have one are your own concern. Like I said in other comments, interviewing is (for bette…
Yeah, if you work for GNU or for countries were NDA is not a notion .
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I don't expect my surgeon to do surgery in his spare time. Nor my plumber, dentist, gardener, or any other professional. I look at their past work history and reviews from customers and/or coworkers. I will never understand the belief that side projects are in any way necessary. I'd much rather have a well rounded individual who isn't moonlighting on other things but rather can bring his clear focused mind to the off…
> I don't expect my surgeon to do surgery in his spare time. I really like it when my specialist has a prominent public profile. A recent case: tenure at a major university, had written or was quoted in many good journals and papers, and had a number of impressive accreditations (for example he was also head of his specialty's medical association for the country). This showed dedication and interest as well as some m…
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I had something similar where they had a test app online, but the test environment was broken to the point of it being non usable. Emailed them as to what was broken including error messages. Got an email cancelling my interview twenty minutes later.
Hopefully they weren’t trying to hire you for a QA position...
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They're pretty rampant in Canada. You usually get one of these types: - Long home coding challenge (for no pay of course) - Hours of whiteboard coding talk. If you're lucky it relates to the job at hand, most of the time it doesn't - Doing coding tests online, either through their propitiatory app or through sites like HackerRank. - A conversation type interview, where you talk about the job (have only had this one i…
>>Long home coding challenge (for no pay of course) There is a way to do this. But some people go a little too far. Last years one start up asked me to write an entire backend application for them for free.
That they declared bankruptcy this year has been a tasty bit of schadenfreude.
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> before they ask you to do their multi-hour coding test for no money Where do all of you keep finding those companies? Is that an SV thing, or am I just not applying to "prestigious" enough companies? I've been on my fair share of interviews and haven't had that happen once, along with no whiteboard interviews. I can echo your experience about Github projects playing a small role apart from signaling though. Once, a…
Can confirm, not a SV thing, plenty of it in Europe. Nothing to do with prestige, it's a simple "will this monkey jump through hoops" test to see if you'll work in shitty conditions for shitty pay. My go to response is asking them to look at my git instead, which ends the process in about half the cases. The other half they look at it for <5 minutes and point out the error that isn't an error (yes I know what an SQL…
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> I don't expect my surgeon to do surgery in his spare time. I really like it when my specialist has a prominent public profile. A recent case: tenure at a major university, had written or was quoted in many good journals and papers, and had a number of impressive accreditations (for example he was also head of his specialty's medical association for the country). This showed dedication and interest as well as some m…
Not so sure about this. It would be OK for my surgeon to just be a badass surgeon and not a politician. Public confirmation doesn't add much because the skill of navigating that is (mostly) unrelated to the skill of achieving a great surgery outcome.
My reasoning is that if someone is very good in his line of work, some of that work starts to spill out to the public, either by research, teaching, articles, blog posts, etc.. If a person is not a pure introvert, working all by himself, and is quite good, invariably someone will notice it..
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Actually, the greatest predictor of employee success is their IQ, but that's illegal to test. That's why some employers substitute SAT, ACT, ASVAB, etc. scores, since those are abstractions to IQ tests.
Source?
>A growing body of research suggests general cognitive ability may be the best predictor of job performance.
Re: I have no side code projects to show you
#519I really enjoyed this post. I feel the same way, I do love coding and working on software projects doesn't feel like work to me. I spent my high school years and college years(and I graduated years after I should have from taking two years off after freshmen year) working fast food and grocery stores. I know what work feels like. However, I don't and won't spend every waking hour I have doing one thing. This life has…
> However, I don't and won't spend every waking hour I have doing one thing Why does everyone think that it requires every spare second you have to write a couple programs and post them on GitHub? Can you spare 1 hour per week? Why would it require every waking hour you have to write a couple scripts and throw them in GitHub?
There are plenty of new people entering the workforce, too. I can't remember the last time I took an Uber/Lyft where the driver wasn't in a coding bootcamp. It scares me just to think about having to be the engineer "training" the new hire at a company that didn't make its interviews hard enough.
(As a corollary, this means that if the engineering interview at a company is objectively easy, that's a RED FLAG, and you should not work there.)
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I often laugh at people who use passionate not realizing the root of the word more or less means suffering. You want me to suffer for your company? No thanks, thats beyond the bounds of employment imo.
Given the choice between someone who's just doing the job to get paid, vs someone who's doing the job because it's what they enjoy doing, I'll pick the second guy every time. In both hiring, and working with.
Sure.
But, passion ~= "suffering". "suffering" IMO is mutually exclusive with "enjoy" (unless that's your sort of thing)