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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

flohofwoe wrote: post #184
politician wrote: post #157

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Did you catch the part where A/I Collective is operated by foreign parties outside the US?

Funny, the same US "free speech absolutists" get upset about "censorship" outside the US (mostly in EU countries) all the time, so it would be completely on point.

No E.U. censorship happened here and they're still legally allowed to operate in Italy. In the past they've been attacked by Italy several times and always won. This is a pure US threat against a pure European entity. It's like if France thought it could shut down Samsung - and then Samsung quit operating.

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Post by mitxela »

swiftcoder wrote: post #76
RonanSoleste wrote: post #67

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Europe is decoupling itself all ready also. Using SEPA-Inst and wero.

Unfortunately decoupling payments within the EU is insufficient if the US can just threaten to sanction your bank, and in doing so force the bank to drop you as a customer. Even in the presence of an internal European payments network, those banks still need to transact with the US and other US-sphere countries...

The payment system has to be decoupled first, and then banks can have nothing to fear from US sanctions.

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Post by mitxela »

postit wrote: post #287

I'm wondering how long until they target CCC :/

That'll be fun. But the CCC doesn't engage in resistance any more. They mostly just hold the conferences where people tinker with stuff in ways that don't matter .

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Post by mitxela »

joquarky wrote: post #283
rdtsc wrote: post #237

> The anarchist cells responsible for sabotaging rail systems across France, Italy, Germany, and the Netherlands in 2026, relied on A/I Collective tools and services to claim responsibility for the attacks Hmm. So they are going by “A/I vets its users” and users sabotaged rail systems so therefore A/I is materially assisting terrorists? I wonder how this vetting works? Do users have to submit government issued docume…

I wonder why gun manufacturers aren't responsible for the behavior of their users, but this org is.

IIRC from the last A/I thread, there's actually a special law that basically says gun manufacturers are not liable for what people do with the guns, and says it specifically about guns, not any other industry.

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Post by mitxela »

sublinear wrote: post #279
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #216

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Hacker news engages in ideological vetting against users. For example, try posting content encouraging violence.

HN only (lazily) filters content. It doesn't engage in ideological vetting, and doesn't need to either. A good amount of the commenters on this story probably would encourage violence, or at least agree with the sentiment on a different platform, yet here they are. I'm not even sure if they're real people or bots. We are having a discussion right now that would not be allowed if there was vetting.

HN's filtering is anything but lazy. Do you have showdead enabled in the settings? If not, enable it and refresh this comments page.

A bunch of my comments were mysteriously deadened and I have no idea why - they aren't flagged. This was among them. Maybe it was a retaliation for talking about HN's filtering?

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Post by mitxela »

K0balt wrote: post #41
righthand wrote: post #3

> We are stopping, but the Resistance and ideas do not stop. Stay human. How will that be if the resistance is not visible to the public. What are all the people using their services supposed to do? I’m guessing there are plans to reform in a few years. Why is the Italian government not protecting them?

Resistance and revolution happened before the internet. People have become lazy and complacent, and want their resistance served up over the wire. Thats not how real resistance happens, but it does make people feel like they are doing something, sucking up their energy while the biggest impact is TikTok memes, the modern version of the sternly worded letter. This is exactly where the power structures want the struggl…

A caveat: people would have to be talking to each other to talk about resistance to each other. They don't.

Underground resistance forms out of existing "underground" social networks - social clubs, friends, people who know each other through any means. There's no longer any underground socialising at scale. We use the internet for it, where talk of resistance is strictly banned.

Even when you talk offline it's monitored. If you talk in the vicinity of an LG TV, it's converting your speech to text and uploading it to their servers, ostensibly for AI training.

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Post by Sharlin »

Waterluvian wrote: post #488
selfhoster1312 wrote: post #407

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They have been involved in pretty much all previous USA "idiotic wars of aggression", so while it may become useful in the future to make a distinction, it's also fair to appreciate that this distinction doesn't make a lot sense to a whole bunch of people.

The one time NATO was called on to defend a member was the U.S. asking for help after 9/11. And nobody but the UK followed them into Iraq, shortly after the Afghanistan war began. So there’s certainly strong history of NATO not just doing whatever the U.S. is up to. I recall this time as a very strong refusal of the above miscategorization of NATO. Bush and his cronies had a whole “you’re with us or against us” tantr…

And making nude statues wear clothes. Because freedom or something, I guess.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

vachina wrote: post #492
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #465

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> When the US government decides to label you “terrorist organization” We really need laws removing the power from the President to unilaterally declare organizations terrorists. At least not long term without their ability to fight the designation in court. (Same for tariffs. There is no case where one needs emergency power to tariff or sanction anything. If you need to conduct urgent police action, court-ordered as…

We actually need to decouple ourselves such that such threats can be ignored.

> We actually need to decouple ourselves

We’re in a globalized world with aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons. The fallacy of thinking a major economy (or significant nation) can decouple from any expansionist regime is a lesson I thought we learned from the first half of the last century.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by Sharlin »

stale2002 wrote: post #460
mitxela wrote: post #406

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Am I a member of a terrorist organisation? How do I check?

Are you going around planning terrorist attacks, vigilante violence, sabotaging critical infrastructure in groups or consistently materially supporting those who do? If so then yes. If you aren't doing anything even close to this then no you wouldn't be.

And how large a percentage of those who identify with the umbrella term "antifa" do you think are actually members of violent terrorist cells?
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