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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by beernet »

stale2002 wrote: post #383
basilgohar wrote: post #60

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This is well known and documented. It should not be downvoted. Zionism in Big Tech is a huge issue. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese documented this extensively in her report that got her sanctioned by the US. [0] TurboTax had IDF soldiers in uniform in their offices. [1] [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ah…

The vast majority of people in the USA do not want to destroy the state of Israel so I am not sure why you are making some conspiracy about (((zionists))) controlling big tech companies. Basically everyone in the US is a zionist. Especially once you point out that Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons and it would be a horrible idea to try and destroy them.

> Basically everyone in the US is a zionist.

What? What kind of world view is that? Surely not a factual one.

I have no view here other than what I hear from people and news. What stokes me is that people like you are really shocked and surprised when confronted with the truth.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by beernet »

Asooka wrote: post #447

So this is the USA under Trump. Anti-semitism as official government policy. Didn't take long for him to show his true colours as dictator.

Bots in full effect now?

This guy literally helped killing thousands of Israel's "enemies", out of which a majority are innocent civilians. Above everything, you are showing your true color.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by [deleted] »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #173

I was reading about Israel interfering with US elections and spying on the US decades ago. Why is this news now? Us gives Israel money, Israel uses that money to buy people in power in the US, those bought people then ensure US taxpayewr money flows to israel to...and so the cycle continues. Nothing explains the US being subservient to Israel than this.

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by frollogaston »

slg wrote: post #331
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

All of it was done by Americans. It's just that most of them weren't really loyal to America. All those pro Israel lobby groups are over here, not there.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by frollogaston »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #460
jraby3 wrote: post #423

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US gives Israel weapons not money.

We give both. We currently have an MOU to provide Israel with $3.8B a year, including $500 allocated for missile defense, through 2028. This is distinct from direct military aid. In total we have furnished nearly $100B since Israel's founding.

Is Israel allowed to use the non-military aid to donate to AIPAC, and can AIPAC receive that without being reclassified as foreign agent?

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Post by sanderjd »

Animats wrote: post #438
classified wrote: post #429

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Which, of course, is deliberate. He has weaponized uncertainty to perfection.

If that was true, he wouldn't keep losing negotiations.

Weaponized against us, the American people, not against any of our geopolitical rivals.

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Post by parineum »

watwut wrote: post #189
parineum wrote: post #130

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> We had a diplomatic agreement that worked, nuked it for no gain, and now there isn’t a viable way to influence Iran. I see this repeateded a lot but it doesn't follow to me that the facility that was bombed in midnight hammer was created and begun operating after that agreement was cancelled. It seems clear to me that Iran never stopped using that facility. It seems to me that Iran's goal is to develop a nuclear we…

Iran was entitled to have radio active materia. Pretty much everyone involved says they followed the contract.

Who is "everyone involved"? Iran and the Obama administration?

What was bombed in that secret mountain base? Why keep it a secret?

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Post by parineum »

ryandrake wrote: post #143
parineum wrote: post #137

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Now you're confusing maga with evangelicals which are very different parts of the party. Evangelicals have largely lost influence in a post Roe world. Trump had to cater to them in his first term but, since he's taken over the party, they're in the backseat.

Evangelicals themselves recently brought us into this “post Roe world!” Their influence appears to be at its highest level ever.

Trump got evangelicals to vote for him because he promised to appoint supreme court justices who would overturn roe.

Evangelicals, as a group, no longer have a cohesive political goal. They don't have influence because the collective isn't asking for anything.

Their influence was all based on being a large group of single issue voters you could get on your side with little effort.

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Post by throwaway27448 »

petre wrote: post #490
throwaway27448 wrote: post #474

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> Hamas are crazy fundamentalists They're normal people—dentists, engineers, bakers, whatever—born into an environment with no sovereignty and the constant threat of death or worse. That's enough to put a gun in anyone's hand. We must stop with this wholly inaccurate and shallow characterization. They are not Boko Haram or ISIS or Al-Qaeda. In fact, they worked with the IDF when ISIS was messing with them about 8 yea…

That's the image they have created for themselves after kidnapping, raping, abusing and killing innocent civillians and concert goers. Compared to Fatah and the other PLO members who established themselves as political parties, they are just a terrorist organization and recently designated as such in most of the civilized world. Israel has probably discretely supported them in the past order to prevent a two state so…

Raping and abusing? Do you have a link to what you're referring to or are you confusing them with how the IDF treats their prisoners? Because that rape and abuse is extremely well documented.

> they are just a terrorist organization and recently designated as such in most of the civilized world

I would not call the west "civilized". We're just rich. We call a lot of people terrorists and overlook our own terrorism, like basically everything the CIA & the IDF & the mossad do. convenient eh?

PLEASE read anything but western news, I'm begging you. You don't realize how insane you sound to most of the civilized world.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by frollogaston »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #463
slg wrote: post #331

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I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

Voters—democrats especially— are voting against politicians that don't speak out against Israel. But that's a very recent phenomenon. Democratic leadership strongly supports Israel to this day, including both Schumer and Jeffries. Cory Bush and Jamaal Bowman, both outspoken in criticism of Israel, were each primaried by democrats with support from leadership, and Bell (who ousted Bush) promptly lost in the general. T…

The part about not voting based on foreign policy is surprising because the presidential campaigns and debates often end up making that a focus.
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