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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by benzible »

taffydavid wrote: post #324
benzible wrote: post #216

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I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

I don't believe Trump himself makes any of these decisions, and as for deals I don't think he remembers what happened yesterday let alone a deal made on the campaign trail. Parties in his administration are actively trying to destroy science and cripple any kind of climate research or green energy development, even if it costs nothing. Whoever they are, they make these plans and then get him to sign while he's awake.

Of course. Trump isn't aware of "details" like this. But he's very much on board with the "own the libs" project, the project of helping fossil fuel, and he appointed the people who are making it happen.

Although with Trump, it's more specific than "owning the libs": a clear motivating force is undoing anything Obama did or that was around on his watch. Pulling out of the JPOA agreement Obama made with Iran, then launching a war at the price of tanking the global economy which best case will result in a pale imitation of the JPOA (along with a much stronger and richer Iran), is only the latest example.

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Post by ticulatedspline »

js2 wrote: post #169

Here's a frankly better article from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/01/climate/ocean-observatori... A few points: 1. The ocean observation system began operating in 2016 and was expected to continue for 25 years. 2. It cost $48 million annually to operate the network. The Trump administration repeatedly tried to shutter it, proposing to cut its funding by 80 percent in both 2025 and again in 2026. Congress…

> The executive branch cannot just legally not spend that money.

Time and time again this proves to be rather irrelevant to this administration. There's literally no consequences for illegal actions and even if they're called out on it all that is reactionary. The system will be well broken before a ruling.

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Post by nerdyadventurer »

tdb7893 wrote: post #75

What really puts all of this into perspective for me is I work in academia and one of my friends works for a defense contractor. He told me the maintenance cost per flight hour of F-35 was a bit more than $40k, which is significantly more than I make in a year as a grad student. It's crazy basic science is what's been the focus of so many cuts while it's so cheap.

I think bombs they drop on innocents are much more more expensive than $40K. Some think glaciers melting is at point there will be no turning back, record time heat waves and El Niño gives clues about upcoming disasters.

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Post by lostmsu »

nancyminusone wrote: post #476
lostmsu wrote: post #447

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Why do I have to present evidence for something I'm not claiming? Your response fits the picture drawn by the comment on out of context. > As for me, I don't think you need a phd to read the warning stickers on bleach and isoproponal which say "do not injest" Yes, but you need more brainpower to understand that these warnings are for specific products and can't be generalized without research. The concept that danger…

You are welcome to paint my opinion of trump in any color of light you like as long as it isn't UV-C.

Humor is not a replacement for an argument. Your joke is equivalent to "as long as it isn't a autism-inducing vaccine", but from the left.

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Post by lostmsu »

nancyminusone wrote: post #477
lostmsu wrote: post #449

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What do you know, certain forms of UV are used to disinfect skin. Too bad the developers of the concept didn't care at the moment they are "bonkers". https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/201... > UV-C has demonstrated the ability to effectively and safely inactivate the SARS-CoV-2 virus up to 99.9% > There are four methods to disinfect the air with UVGI technologies: 1) ..., 2) irradiating the ful…

Your source talks about the disinfection of air, contains no references to disinfection of skin, and only mentions skin three times, twice to specifically warn against skin damage from UVC exposure, and once to clairify which types of UV light penetrate the skin.

Do you suppose people in occupied full room that's being irradiated must cover their faces? Read better.

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Post by intended »

holgerschurig wrote: post #366
intended wrote: post #206

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America had scientific hegemony and political influence over its allies. All of tech traces its roots to American academia. American tech enthralls more of humanity than American military has ever fought.

Nah, I'd say that common "americans" (really: US citizens) are perhaps a bit on the dumber site. Not only confuse they constantly a continent (America) with a country (USA), they also have no idea about history. Or logics. You wrote "ALL of tech" ... no lets check. Cars - Germany (Gottlieb Daimler, but he didn't patent it), Germany (Carl Benz which made the first patent). Motorbikes - Germany (Gottlieb Daimler) Train…

Eh, I didn’t write a lengthy comment with footnotes, Tech as in big tech.

Enthralls as in we are stuck to our phones, typically running iOS, Android, consuming media, or using services with HQs in America.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

dotancohen wrote: post #469
nixon_why69 wrote: post #445

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This is a great example of where the Israeli perspective diverges from the American. The classic American perspective wouldn't worry about that because being part of our market is so attractive. There is a win-win here, they are not mindless orcs.

Yes, living under constant rocket threat does affect one's perspective. I personally was injured in an Iranian rocket attack on Israel. My children have had their camp counselors kidnapped and murdered. And their teachers. And thier friends. My daughter attended the funeral of a close friend who was murdered in his home, along with his sister and brother and both parents. I could go on. I know two women whose babies…

You were injured by a rocket counterattack. It's a distinction that reasonable people would give some thought and reflection.

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Post by easyThrowaway »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

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I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

Because once shit hits the fan, those responsible for destroying the ecosystem will take a one-way flight for a fully air-conditioned bunkerized apartment lot in Dubai with any Epstein island-level luxury you can think of and fuck the consequences for everyone else, that's why.

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Post by latexr »

eudamoniac wrote: post #490
adampunk wrote: post #488

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Honey. Sugar. They’re not making this anti-DEI paradise for you or your kids. How do you not see that?

What I've seen for the past several years is that Asian and White applicants to universities, medical schools, and various other high institutions and careers are admitted at disproportionately lower rates when adjusting for qualifications. This is racism. If the left wanted my vote, they should have stopped being constantly, concretely racist against Asian people. Not the kind of harmless racism on the right that sa…

I’m not American, so forgive my confusion, but are you really saying that you think DEI policies are not only racist, but more harmful and racist than profiling people based on the colour of the their skin or country of origin, then beating them into vans and throwing them into prison camps, including children?

And are you also saying you are Asian and yet somehow believe you and your children are going to be exempt from such profiling?

You said you care about “protecting your borders”, but if you’re Asian that means you’re neither a native American nor an original colonist. Someone in your family, at some point, had to migrate to the US. Why was it OK then but not OK now? Why exactly are you deserving of calling those your borders but other immigrants are not?

This is honestly confusing. You talked of “harmless racism” on the right, but refused to comment on ICE and seem to believe DEI is worse. Could you explain exactly which racism is harmful and which is harmless? Does it depend on the race? Why is DEI a bigger problem than ICE?

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Post by thrance »

sph wrote: post #345
jmyeet wrote: post #157

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We live in a post-factual world [1]. I'm not sure people realize just how dire this is. The politics of the largest, most powerful country on Earth are dominated by people who truly believe in dispensational premillenialism [2]. For these people their time on Earth is limited. Wrecking the Earth doesn't matter. The afterlife is forever. Senior government officials take seriously bringing on the apocalypse through a r…

All true, but you know what do we have to blame for most of that? The Internet and social media. It did in a few years was mass media had been working toward for the better part of a century.

I don't know about that. The GOP has been talking about the southern strategy for a while now, before the world wide web was even a thing. Our current neoliberal economies are starting to show how bleak the world they ushered is, creating social unrest from the huge inequalities that arose, that populists can easily exploit for political gains. It's the same story as all fascist takeovers, really.
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