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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by mothballed »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #143
mothballed wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US could/can, they're just not willing to undergo the mass casualties it would take to put boots on the ground and put those boots up the ass of the people controlling Hormuz. Which absolutely cannot be achieved purely by air.

> The US could/can, they're just not willing to undergo the mass casualties it would take to put boots on the ground It doesn’t matter what the reason, if you can’t do something you can’t do it.

I'm not interested in a lengthy semantic debate about what "can" means but I'd hope we could agree at least one possible interpretation includes things you're unwilling but able to do.

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Post by x-complexity »

> ... “removal of all in-water infrastructure” belonging to the Ocean Observatories Initiative at sites along the coasts of Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and North Carolina, and in the waters between Greenland and Iceland.

...Why is Europe reliant on the US for monitoring oceans between Greenland & Iceland, i.e within European territory & therefore European monitoring? Shouldn't they have their own infra to work from?

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Post by wildzzz »

dnautics wrote: post #64
snaking0776 wrote: post #52

This strikes me as one of the recent moves by our political/capital class where they think that if they just remove the information that’s inconvenient for them, people will stop caring and let them do what they want. You only need to listen to the bosses who so many of us work for to know that they think climate change is just an inconvenience in the way of progress. Only time will tell if this strategy will work or…

It's arguably not particularly inconvenient for the us political class? the us has been on a tear reducing per capita ghg emissions (also trade corrected ghg emissions). this has been going on for five decades now (consistently 2.5) independent of whether administrations or congress have been red or blue iiuc us per capita emissions are not far from 1910s levels

I don't trust the trade corrected numbers, China uses a ton of coal still and is ever increasing in their manufacturing of good sent to the US. The number for the US has mostly gone down due to switching to natural gas from coal.

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Post by xp84 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #134
pkulak wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The republicans can have 1 senator in the senate and they somehow shuck and jive to get their way. They never fucking lose in implementing their outright evil. Break some rules, use strategy, set up some game pieces. Do something, anything. The democrats couldn’t even get a Supreme Court justice seated with 6 months to go for the next election.

> 1 senator…

Oh, please, that’s not true. But yeah, you need 60 seats there in order to just ram things through. Right now Democrats don’t even have a plurality of the voting public so it’s not surprising that they are completely powerless.

> Democrats couldn’t even get a SC Justice…

On this one though I’ll fully agree with you, they were 100% ratfucked on Garland’s nomination. In no universe was that more than 0% ethically justified. That was a craven and cowardly scheme.

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Post by xp84 »

mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #128
OutOfHere wrote: post #69

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Both sides had their "worst" candidate, but in different ways. One of them was a convicted felon. Democrats will continue to lose while they revel in their corruption by putting forward selfish candidates that are least likely to win.

Convicted rapist

That’s not what he was convicted of, though?

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Post by Ancalagon »

intuitionist wrote: post #76
EA-3167 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically 'Don't Look Up' at this point, stripped of all metaphor and potential to entertain.

“Don’t Look Up” stripped of entertainment was just “Don’t Look Up”

I think it was just reality, unfortunately

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Post by jmyeet »

stldev wrote: post #13

This makes sense. Facts cease to exist because you ignore them. I think Huxley wrote that.

We live in a post-factual world [1].

I'm not sure people realize just how dire this is. The politics of the largest, most powerful country on Earth are dominated by people who truly believe in dispensational premillenialism [2]. For these people their time on Earth is limited. Wrecking the Earth doesn't matter. The afterlife is forever. Senior government officials take seriously bringing on the apocalypse through a red heifer [3]. In fact, it's the cornerstone of Christian Zionism [4].

And what began this political movement? Racism [5], specifically a ruling that schools in the South couldn't be both tax-exempt and segregationist.

We live in the dumbest timeline.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth_politics

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkWl7NaGprE

[3]: https://medium.com/@nour_alhakk/the-red-heifer-and-the-u-s-a...

[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

[5]: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-ri...

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Post by armada651 »

x-complexity wrote: post #152

> ... “removal of all in-water infrastructure” belonging to the Ocean Observatories Initiative at sites along the coasts of Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and North Carolina, and in the waters between Greenland and Iceland. ...Why is Europe reliant on the US for monitoring oceans between Greenland & Iceland, i.e within European territory & therefore European monitoring? Shouldn't they have their own infra to work from?

That stretch of ocean is closer to Canada than it is to mainland Europe.

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Post by hattmall »

mothballed wrote: post #125
jazzypants wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we have military hegemony, then why can't we open the strait of Hormuz?

The US could/can, they're just not willing to undergo the mass casualties it would take to put boots on the ground and put those boots up the ass of the people controlling Hormuz. Which absolutely cannot be achieved purely by air.

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Post by bamboozled »

tdb7893 wrote: post #75

What really puts all of this into perspective for me is I work in academia and one of my friends works for a defense contractor. He told me the maintenance cost per flight hour of F-35 was a bit more than $40k, which is significantly more than I make in a year as a grad student. It's crazy basic science is what's been the focus of so many cuts while it's so cheap.

Someone has to pay for the kings mistakes and it might as well be you.
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