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California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Fair enough. Most advertising isn't individually posted to each address because that's expensive - they hire their own guy, who isn't a postal worker, to go around and put it in everyone's mailbox. It's like paying one cent per email to prove it isn't spam.

In the US it's illegal for someone who's not a postal worker to put things in your mailbox for exactly this kind of reason.

So you can't hand-deliver your letters and postcards? That's sad.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Browsers can literally chose not to store cookies... There is no need to bring trust in the equation.

Can browsers know which cookies are necessary for a site functioning, logins, etc and which are for tracking, ads etc? There are many ways one can eg block third party cookies and that helps and rarely causes issues, but tracking can also be done with first party cookies, let alone fingerprinting. For example, firefox's "strict tracking protection" setting also breaks a bunch of websites.

There are some browsers, that implement it like it was originally intended and asks the user for each cookie individually: Do you want to store "PHPSESSIONID=12345"? -> Yes. Do you want "AdTRackingID..." -> No. Do you want "AWStelemtry..." -> No, and reject all further.

Midori is an example for a graphical one, while there is Lynx for the terminal.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Strictly necessary cookies don’t require explicit consent, and generally can’t be rejected. Functional cookies don’t require additional explicit consent if you actually use that function. “Performance” actually refers to analytics, probably rebranded because users did not want it. Making you think they had to ask for the reasonable cookies, too, is the whole trick being pulled here.

> Functional cookies don’t require additional explicit consent if you actually use that function. To not be indistinguishable from "strictly necessary" there would have to be a case where the "functional cookie" actually required consent, right? What case is that and how would you solicit that consent other than some kind of cookie banner? > “Performance” actually refers to analytics, probably rebranded because users…

The category is "strictly necessary and functional" not "strictly necessary" and "functional".

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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As always, downvoting me doesn't change the legality of those banners. The law clearly states the "deny all" button must be as prominent as the accept button, and the banners employ all sort of dark patterns.

I don't think 'the law' does clearly state that, although I'd be happy to be proved wrong, and honestly it's a point of pedantry, the enforcement indicates that you're right about the actual expectation, and definitely you're right about the actual usage.

> 8. When authorities were asked whether they would consider that a banner which does not provide for accept and refuse/reject/not consent options on any layer with a consent button is an infringement of the ePrivacy Directive, a vast majority of authorities considered that the absence of refuse/reject/not consent options on any layer with a consent button of the cookie consent banner is not in line with the requirements for a valid consent and thus constitutes an infringement. Few authorities considered that they cannot retain an infringement in this case as article 5(3) of the ePrivacy Directive does not explicitly mentioned a “reject option” to the deposit of cookies.

https://www.edpb.europa.eu/system/files/2023-01/edpb_2023011...

Also the law doesn't require anything to be done by the user to reject cookies, to begin with, as that is the default state. I often just delete the cookie dialog from the DOM.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Come up with a few categories and let the browser/OS decide. Websites by default are ‘true’ for every category, unless they specify. Categories are, for example of some: nudity, sexual, violence, etc. It doesn’t have to be perfect but sites will have to err on the side of caution. We could even create an html tag for example, and the browser can simply not render that portion of the page of the user has that type dis…

A header is probably better than a tag. The goal should be to satisfy most reasonable governments. A neutral technical standard and an international organization to maintain the the ontology for content descriptors

But a HTML document could contain a listing of things, that might or might not fall in to these categorize (a search result). A better option would be to just have it as an attribute to elements, like the "lang=..." attribute. That way an UA could even have a policy of show text tagged, but not images. Or images only when clicked per images. Websites wouldn't need to implement spoilers or blurs then, this could be implemented in the UA.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modifi…

I know that, most technical people know it, but I refuse to call it "GNU/Linux" because that's a dumb name and Richard Stallman is so over the top pedantic to constantly insist on it.

Yeah, I also have a hard time saying that, but I also think it's kind of important, because what I actually like about my OS is that it's a GNU OS, I hardly ever need to tweak my kernel, and if I do need to change a setting, that would still be the same with another kernel. But I think it's not hard to use the term in writing.

Like, I'm glad for the solid kernel, but it's just not what I interface with on a daily basis. Same that I'm glad the car engine is running fine, but I care about the car, not the engine.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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No such mandates should take place at all.

I agree with you, as a longtime free speech believe. but... I would also like to keep my kids from seeing the very worst of the internet before they're ready to handle it. I tried using a PiHole but Firefox DNS-over-HTTPS nullifies that now. It's not realistic for me to be watching over their shoulders 24/7; what can I do to keep them away from stuff 99% of people agree isn't for children to see, without something li…

Don't you control the client devices? What's stopping you from disabling DoH? If you use your own DNS servers, they can just use DoH in the background. There is much less threat using unencrypted protocols on your own encrypted network.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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1st amendment. There's a long history of carve outs around commercial products. But, if Linux devs (who aren't selling anything) went to the mat against this law, the government of California would lose and (at least part of) their law would be struck down.

Kids deserve free speech. There is no valid reason to deny access to them to social networks. First amendment is being breached here.

No, minors don't have a lot of rights and they have some rights adults have not. That's what it means to not be an adult.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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next step age-verification at BIOS/EFI level /s

Windows 12 will require a special component on the motherboard to support this feature.

I can't tell whether that is sarcastic or yet another reason why I don't run an OS from MS.
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