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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by TychoCelchuuu »

cuuupid wrote: post #248
HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #53

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Are they merging with Palantir any time soon?

I'd argue Meta is much worse: Palantir builds these systems for the US government which is (hopefully) something you can hold accountable / can reasonably trust. Meta builds these systems for itself to make digital cocaine and sell personal data to profit off everyone (including and moreso primarily the elderly and children). You can't hold them accountable, actually pretty much nobody can hold Zuckerberg accountable…

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Post by zelphirkalt »

Avicebron wrote: post #321
avaer wrote: post #296

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> let's do this for politicians as well :), publicly available, auditable 24-hour surveillance Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled. Yes, it should literally be the opposite -- with power should come accountability. But that's not how these things work in practice.

> Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled. Well good thing we can just not vote for anyone and/or remove anyone who tries to take this stance. It's not like they are appointed by God.

If we are living in a democracy and in majority are able to live democracy, then yes. If on the other hand most people are not willing or unable to live democracy, then we will get stuck with corruption.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

nektro wrote: post #320

how to cause a mass exodus with this one simple trick!

i dont know. plenty of folks are happy to build the prison thinking they'll end up on the right side of the wall because they're paid well enough to think they're part of the capital class.

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Post by tripzilch »

satvikpendem wrote: post #176
seanp2k2 wrote: post #166

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Most companies just don't have a reason to look through the computer they're letting you use to do your job. Don't give them a reason. Maximizing shareholder value by observing you doing job in the pursuit of replacing you with a very small shell script is a great reason that they've just discovered. Get your own laptop, pay for your own cellphone, use your own internet service, etc. If you create anything of value o…

Exactly, no one is stopping one from using their personal devices for any personal purpose, and the fact that somehow people are defending wanting to do personal things on a work laptop is utterly baffling to me. Like another commenter said, I always grew up with the notion, legal and social, that a company laptop is absolutely not your property and companies can and will look through it. Use your own devices for you…

But surely you could imagine that things work differently in different places.

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Post by metabagel »

butlike wrote: post #488
2ndorderthought wrote: post #232

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As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…

The workers have always been assets though. They turn JIRA tickets into money. Any notion a company would treat a person as a human being and not a means to an end is unfounded, full-stop. The company is a machine that makes money. Machines do not have feelings.

Right.

https://thecorporation.com/

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Post by hluska »

sylware wrote: post #426
lanyard-textile wrote: post #364

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I don't think we have sweeping regulations about it, at least in California. Most companies I've worked at have a policy of some "reasonable personal use" being permitted. The concern is usually focused on the other way around: Companies do not want their IP on your personal machines. They can certainly look at whatever is on their own machines, however, regardless if it is your personal data or not. One large caveat…

It is even worse in France: if you code open source "on the side" of you work, at home, the company which employs you may claim the copyrights of it. I had to add explicit exclusion of this claim of copyrights in my job contracts to protect my personal work. That was a few years back, dunno if that was fixed.

This is common in North America too. In Canada, people really should be going through their personal projects and getting a moonlighting clause added before they sign any employment agreements. Employment has gotten tough so a lot of juniors aren’t doing this with their first jobs and we’ll start to see the ramifications of that in about five or ten years.

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Post by hluska »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #383
pjerem wrote: post #354

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Idk in the US but in France you are allowed to have personal data on your work computer. Though you have to label it as personal (like creating a « Personal » folder or label and your employer can still access it in case of suspicion but he must do it in your physical presence and accompanied with a witness, generally a representative of the employees. So you theoretically don’t have full privacy on this computer but…

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You know, I almost hope you trained an AI to spout off this nonsense because if there’s human cognition involved in this, I’m embarrassed.

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Post by metabagel »

unmole wrote: post #429
2ndorderthought wrote: post #232

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As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…

> Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness [citation needed]

I recall that being in my employment contract.

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Post by metabagel »

j45 wrote: post #343
2ndorderthought wrote: post #232

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As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…

You never really owned what you typed or said at work in to their laptops, into their accounts using their software.

Sure, but our employers weren't selling our intermediate contributions to third parties in the past.
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