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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#161

Honest question, does most of Meta's creepiness trickle down directly from Zuckerberg, or is their entire executive also this creepy? Does the executive know better at this point but have toasted the culture and no one can fight against it anymore?

I suspect most employees know better, but Meta pays very well and they just want to maximize their salary and their tenure in the company. Also it seems Zuckerberg has became more creepy lately, very much in phase with the current Zeigweist.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#162

Honest question, does most of Meta's creepiness trickle down directly from Zuckerberg, or is their entire executive also this creepy? Does the executive know better at this point but have toasted the culture and no one can fight against it anymore?

> is their entire executive also this creepy?

What does this link tell you? https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-told...

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#163
post #11

As everybody knows, key strokes and mouse movements are the things that solve problems, definitely the data worth capturing for AI training.

See: https://si.inc/posts/fdm1/ If they captured display output as well, it could be a very useful dataset for generalized computer use.

They used to say the same thing about text, it turned out that after all training the best thing they could achieve is the `ccc` compiler.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#164
Now that the early 10s dev worship era is officially over, all pretensions of "making the world a better place" and being nice have been dropped and devs shall remember what it feels like to be a replaceable cog that can be swapped the way we used to do with phone wallpapers.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#165
post #132

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Not sure how GDPR could help. They can make generating data for their model your actual job as per contract I guess.

I'm sure detailed mouse and keystroke data can actually leak health data from subjects. What are the odds one can detect early parkinson disease from mouse wiggle data? If such data leaks away health status, I think capture should be forbidden under current rules.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#166

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This is a ridiculous statement. Everyone I know at my company uses work laptops for personal stuff. It's not in the land of freedom though, so great leaders like yourself can't fire people at will. TBH at this point I don't believe you are a real person.

Consider, do they ever go on explicit websites on that computer? No? Because they know that's surveiled while a personal computer for the same purpose is not. As I said, people do know the difference and might do light personal things like googling something unrelated to work but wouldn't do e.g. banking on a work computer. If they do, well, it'll be their fault if they ever get fired for doing so. The fact that you…

Most companies just don't have a reason to look through the computer they're letting you use to do your job. Don't give them a reason.

Maximizing shareholder value by observing you doing job in the pursuit of replacing you with a very small shell script is a great reason that they've just discovered.

Get your own laptop, pay for your own cellphone, use your own internet service, etc. If you create anything of value on their property or with their property or during times they're paying you in any capacity, expect them to use it for profit.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a ridiculous statement. Everyone I know at my company uses work laptops for personal stuff. It's not in the land of freedom though, so great leaders like yourself can't fire people at will. TBH at this point I don't believe you are a real person.

Consider, do they ever go on explicit websites on that computer? No? Because they know that's surveiled while a personal computer for the same purpose is not. As I said, people do know the difference and might do light personal things like googling something unrelated to work but wouldn't do e.g. banking on a work computer. If they do, well, it'll be their fault if they ever get fired for doing so. The fact that you…

People get fired for banking on a work computer? Whaaat, no way

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#169
post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#170
post #128

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On a work computer? No there shouldn't and isn't.

I spend the majority of my adult life working, and you're telling me I should spend it surveilled?

You already do and your consent is part of your employment. Check your employee handbook, search for things like "data privacy" and understand how https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ30.pdf applies in the modern world, especially around AI. TL;DR companies can do whatever they want with your work / observe you and you have no real meaningful recourse.
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