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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by pjc50 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #393
bredren wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were ~trends similar to what appeared early in TikTok. For example, early TikTok had the Boss Walk. Sora had no big content trends split into many micro trends in some established ~universe.

Well, that stuff goes viral because it’s fun to imitate, all the dances and challenges provided a flywheel to get people creating more content, it’s fun to make the video. If I see an AI video and my options to participate are… prompt another AI video? What’s the point

You're supposed to press the button to receive dopamine. It's all just narrower and narrower Skinner boxes.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by afro88 »

meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

Sounds like me with listening to AI covers. After a couple of weeks I couldn't care less. But I was so stoked in it at the start

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by pjc50 »

zhoujianfu wrote: post #201
small_model wrote: post #158

Not good, seems like they are running out of cash and partners abandoning them. They had no real moat to be fair. Anthropic eating their lunch in enterprise and other players have cashflows from other businesses (XAI, Google)

I had a sense things may be turning against them when my accountant asked me last week if I’d like to participate in their new round ($750B premoney) with no carry. How am I suddenly blessed with such exclusive access, at no cost?!

"Would you like to hold this bag for us, sir?"

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by cmiles8 »

It was fun, but from a business standpoint I’d have to think this was a giant pile of burning cash for OpenAI… even more so than the rest of OpenAI at the moment

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by yoz-y »

meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by pjc50 »

k3k3 wrote: post #316
dangus wrote: post #217

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Something about your phrasing is such hilarious techbrained spin. Let’s be real: OpenAI is circling the drain. The company with the fraudster serial liar CEO who said he was gonna spend a trillion dollars can’t keep a video service alive right after signing a $1 billion dollar with Disney ? What kind of a joke is that? This is a company that has blown its opportunity twiddling around with zero product. They still jus…

Why was Sam brought back? Swear it's all gone downhill for them since that debacle re. firing him.

Because he's a charismatic liar. Extremely effective and useful for a company that is burning money to secure more investments.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by morpheuskafka »

Eufrat wrote: post #447
AussieWog93 wrote: post #382

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For me, Sora changed the way I viewed Sam Altman as a person. I really thought he wasn't like the previous generations of tech leaders - as you mentioned OpenAI (with him in charge) seemed to be genuine about making a product that could improve people's lives. He'd go on podcasts and quite convincingly talk about how ChatGPT could prevent real world harm like suicide, and possibly even contribute to helping disease t…

Multiple people have attested that Sam Altman is extremely charming (especially in more casual, intimate settings) and talks very nobly about his goals, but his actual work is just…all kinds of awful. And I think that charm only goes so far as it seems clear that people are starting to demand that OpenAI actually match its words with work it cannot produce. I think his board fight within OpenAI where essentially lied…

> how he left Y Combinator

Not too familiar with that history, but he still is listed as a courtesy credit/reviewer at the end of PG's blog entries, so I assume he didn't have too much of a bad exit?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Eufrat »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #507
Eufrat wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple people have attested that Sam Altman is extremely charming (especially in more casual, intimate settings) and talks very nobly about his goals, but his actual work is just…all kinds of awful. And I think that charm only goes so far as it seems clear that people are starting to demand that OpenAI actually match its words with work it cannot produce. I think his board fight within OpenAI where essentially lied…

> how he left Y Combinator Not too familiar with that history, but he still is listed as a courtesy credit/reviewer at the end of PG's blog entries, so I assume he didn't have too much of a bad exit?

We’ll never know exactly what exactly transpired, but I think the existing evidence is clear that as President of Y Combinator he should not have been also as involved in OpenAI as he was.

This is a conflict of interest and I think one a very obvious one. He tried to have it both ways and was forced to choose in the end. I think putting himself in that situation rather than resigning up front to pursue OpenAI ambitions says a lot about his character.

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Post by elktown »

pjc50 wrote: post #499
elktown wrote: post #490

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This field doesn’t do well on long-term thinking. Even if all this turns out to be a net loss, it will be reinterpreted as a win and just an opportunity for even more of the same solution. There are numerous examples of this, e.g. the OOP craze. Tech is a stock market of ideas and HN is a trading floor. The “line goes up” logic applies - not merit.

Describing OOP as a "craze" is incredibly out of touch. It's been a thing for, what, three decades?

I'm sure I'm not the first person you've seen hinting at OOP (and all that came with it) having been hyped up beyond its merits.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Insimwytim »

sdenton4 wrote: post #427
Insimwytim wrote: post #415

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> Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output I did not say anything about consumption of the output. Maybe you misread what I wrote, it is about energy consumption. > Both a movie and a language model can cost But we weren't comparing cost of the movie to cost of a language model > can cost tens or hundreds of dollars But we weren't talking about…

And that energy costs money, both at the training/cgi stage and at the inference/consumption stage. It's not even an externality. CGI renders do use a lot of electricity relative to playing back the movie for individual viewers. It's perfectly analogous.

  > CGI renders do use a lot of electricity relative to playing back the movie for individual viewers. It's perfectly analogous.
I've literally laughed at loud after reading this.

I can't believe you're stretching this in a good faith.

But if you are - well, you're certainly have a unique perspective.

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