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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by tamimio »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

It’s why I don’t trust anyone. Sure, EU has better policies and regulations than the wild west (US/Canada), but they still can and will do monkey business when needed, and they are more twisted about it than the US. The best strategy is to host your own and encrypt all, if it’s too much effort for some services try to use one from a country that has no interest in you (outside the west for example).

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

johncoltrane wrote: post #376
haspok wrote: post #233

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Is it not true that when entering the US you are required to show all your social media content on request, and if there is anything negative about the current administration, you can be denied entry (if you are lucky, and not detained for an indefinite amount of time)? Truly exceptional indeed. You are basically on par with China.

FWIW, you don't have to do any of that to enter China.

only to exit

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by tamimio »

rglullis wrote: post #247
wongarsu wrote: post #220

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I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about

Switzerland, maybe? I've been a happy migadu.com customer for years already.

Servers of migadu are in france actually

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Post by Nemo_bis »

keybits wrote: post #195
dragochat wrote: post #86

how about the OPPOSITE problem: _anyone knows of any non-EU AND non-US email providers_? with email accounts as the roots of trust for many things, i'd really wanna know how can I get a trustworthy one not-attached to eithern an unstable system (US), or a very overregulating one like the EU juristictions... and ofc, non-CN too

Runbox are a good option - company and servers in Norway: https://runbox.com/ Been around since 2000. They're also working on JMAP support and are the top financial contributor to the Stalwart mail server ( https://opencollective.com/stalwart ) so I think they'll have a more compelling offering soon. Also worth keeping an eye on Thunderbird pro which will also use Stalwart: https://www.tb.pro/en-US/

I agree, as a happy Runbox customer of several years. But probably the parent post meant non-EEA too, as Norway is effectively subject to any and all EU regulations.

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Post by mariusor »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #423
mariusor wrote: post #361

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Didn't proton fold like a wet napkin when they were asked for information about their users? What I mean is: Switzerland as a whole is probably the wrong metric...

Switzerland - as well as EU based providers - have to comply with court orders. And the EU as well as Switzerland issue court orders upon request from friendly foreign states ("Rechtshilfeersuchen" in german) - such as the US.

Wasn't Proton launched as a "your data is encrypted at rest, we could never access it without your consent"? The implication being that even if they received said court orders, they didn't have anything to give. Am I misremembering that?

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Post by expedition32 »

darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

This is why I'm sticking to Spotify.

Maybe corporations can start to market this: we are not an American company.

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Post by frevib »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #457
frevib wrote: post #364

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Proton has mail, calendar, drive, docs, sheets and more coming. Everything is done e2ee where possible. In case of mail, when the peer has no Proton, mail is indeed send plaintext. Mail is stored e2ee on server, so not even Proton can read it. Proton mail has also made PGP very easy to use. It’s Swiss based and a foundation, not a corporation. They’ve done this so they cannot easily be bought. It ticks most boxes in…

> Proton has mail, calendar, drive, docs, sheets and more coming As of today, there is no official Proton Drive client for Linux that I'm aware of. There is unofficial support via Rclone, but it is still beta and I try to avoid mounting via Rclone anyway. I recall that it wasn't a really convincing experience when I tried it with OneDrive.

Proton Drive for Linux (and Drive SDK) are announced for this year. Unfortunately not more specifically than “this year”.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by danilocesar »

darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

Pcloud is a security nightmare. If you really have to use it, add your own crypto layer on top of it.

Gocryptfs works well for that.

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