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> If transporting something from Shenzhen to Franfurt is cheaper than transporting the same thing from Krakow to Thessaloniki - means that EU has fucked up Ummmm. No. It means the United Nations Universal Post Union international treaties which effectively provide China with subsidised postage TO THE WORLD (as China is a "developing country") needs urgently updating....... Some of the postage you pay to send parcels…
UPU reforms were 6 years ago. EU/NA local posts hasn't been subsidizing PRC shipments for awhile. PRC volume vendors dispatching from local warehouses now, they simply sorted out their logistics from mainland to bulk/volume air freight to warehouse to private delivery for last mile to be more efficient than shipping within EU.
Except shipping from China really isn't cheaper than shipping within EU. You just do it from a reasonable hub, or get a third party to handle this for you.
Look at how The Hut Group handles logistics for MyProtein for example.
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#503Been running a handful of dedicated boxes on Hetzner for about 5 years now. Even with the increase, the price/performance ratio is still way better than anything comparable from the big three US clouds. Their AX-series auction servers especially.
What concerns me more than the price hike itself is the trend. Memory prices spiking, hard drives selling out, and now this. If you're running anything with serious storage or RAM needs, it's worth locking in what you can now. I grabbed an extra auction server last month just because the specs were good and I figured prices were only going up.
For anyone panicking about alternatives: OVH and Netcup are decent in Europe but have their own tradeoffs. OVH's network has been flaky for me, and Netcup's support is basically nonexistent. Hetzner's support has been solid every time I've needed it, which is worth something.
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Tyson Foods, Cargill, JBS, and National Beef controls roughly 85% of the U.S. beef market CVS Caremark, Express Scripts, and OptumRx manage over 80% of all prescriptions in the U.S Amazon buys 50% of all books. These examples are even more extreme than at least 3 major clouds present in the US buying hardware.
The parent comment specified a company that has never turned a profit cornering the entire market.
Not even sure which company are they referring to. I assumed Amazon or Google or Microsoft or Oracle, but all of them have turned profit.
I don't think OpenAI purchase even comes even close to any of these.
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It does 8000 CPU marks with 4 cores. Sure Xeon 674X does 83641 with 28 cores. But show me where can you find it for less than 10 times the price? And with 320GB RAM, 10TB of NVMe SSD storage and 10 GBit/s of "unlimited" bandwidth
> And with 320GB RAM, 10TB of NVMe SSD storage and 10 GBit/s of "unlimited" bandwidth I think you’re talking about something else. The comment above was about a machine that didn’t have 10TB of storage, 320GB RAM, or unlimited bandwidth. If you find 320GB of RAM and unlimited bandwidth for 40 Euro monthly then send it over!
The 39 eur machine has 32GB of RAM ~1TB of storage and 1gbit/s. So to make it a fair comparison the 10 times faster cpu should also have 10 times of those resources
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https://www.hetzner.com/pressroom/statement-price-adjustment... Text in full: > There have been drastic price increases in various areas in the IT branch recently. That is why, unfortunately, we must also increase the prices of our products. > The costs to operate our infrastructure and to buy new hardware have both increased dramatically. Therefore, our price changes will affect both existing products and new orders…
this should be the link instead. @dang
Send it to hn@ycombinator.com.[1]
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Why not? The point of regulation is to fix things when market forces haven't been sufficient. You keep talking about winners and losers but it's unclear to me who you think is actually winning in this situation.
and what market forces haven’t been sufficient here. Demand went up, price has gone up. Price has been fairly stable since the initial run up. It’s unclear to me why you think who the winners or losers matters. My position is it’s incredibly difficult to regulate short term supply and demand. You will always introduce unintended consequence. Regulation in my opinion works best where there are external costs that are hard to measure. This is not one of them.
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UPU reforms were 6 years ago. EU/NA local posts hasn't been subsidizing PRC shipments for awhile. PRC volume vendors dispatching from local warehouses now, they simply sorted out their logistics from mainland to bulk/volume air freight to warehouse to private delivery for last mile to be more efficient than shipping within EU.
Except shipping from China really isn't cheaper than shipping within EU. You just do it from a reasonable hub, or get a third party to handle this for you. Look at how The Hut Group handles logistics for MyProtein for example.
>You just do it from a reasonable hub
That's not reasonable condition, hence why EU is systemically more expensive.
THG logistics looks like warehouse->dispatch, i.e. it's for vendors of certain size that can prestock at regional warehouse. Private last mile always fast. But it doesn't address first mile to hub. Can a bumfuck workshop in a hamlet deliver in Greece deliver to warehouse in Poland across multiple jurisdictions for peanuts? My understanding is EU first mile is fragmented/slow if you rely on national post and expensive if you rely on private couriers.
PRC has unified mainland logistics, any sized vendor can get any standard sized item, in any quantity and PRC first mile logistics like Cainiao and JD will consolidate for cheap bulk (air)freight to regional hub where last mile is also fast.
PRC mainland->overseas complex is a system with low first mile + low last mile. EU has no integrated cheap first-mile, which raises price on SMEs, i.e. most of producers.
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In many countries, its illegal to manipulate prices in bulk.
What makes it manipulation? If 5 companies want to buy a quadrilion ram chips to build datacenters, why is this manipulation moreso than a million companies each wanting to buy 100 ram chips? I think the problem is that both the buyers and producers are too large. Governments should not allow companies to become this big, because... . If there were a thousand ram makers and a thousand datacenter builders, this partic…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
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It's interesting how little you've examined similar cases. And you some how assume good faith in their behaviors.
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What makes it manipulation? If 5 companies want to buy a quadrilion ram chips to build datacenters, why is this manipulation moreso than a million companies each wanting to buy 100 ram chips? I think the problem is that both the buyers and producers are too large. Governments should not allow companies to become this big, because... . If there were a thousand ram makers and a thousand datacenter builders, this partic…
It's certainly price manipulation, but not likely to be intended price manipulation. Your arguments are flawed but you have reached the right conclusion. This is one of the many flaws of badly regulated markets. (There are no free markets, and there is never perfect information, and people often behave remarkably irrationally for many reasons.)
Reading through the Epstein file, it's naive to conclude that no collusion is happening.
Remember when FAANG was caught red handed manipulated hiring to depress salaries?
Just seems like a lot of astroturf-ish behavior ignoring real world happenings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...