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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by direwolf20 »

input_sh wrote: post #457
ac29 wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They don't "have them", they're building them. According to wikipedia Micron Fab 6 in Virginia started production in 1997 and is still operating

> "in any meaningful capacity" Building a factory is one thing, they can have 50 of them built, but that doesn't mean much if all 50 together amount to like 0.1% of the company's output. Once those factories scale up to 1-2%, then we can start considering that they've actually built a domestic supply, but that's a whole different goal than simply building the factories. Building factories is trivial. Making them outp…

Are you sure? I'd think producing any RAM chips at all is much harder than scaling up a working production process.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by someguyornotidk »

Hetzner is currently cheaper than getting a static IP from my ISP + electricity, but just barely. I have a ton of local compute and can easily allocate one or two servers to take over if sufficiently motivated.

I wonder how many of Hetzner's customers are like me. I hope DRAM doesn't kill off cheap VPS providers like this one.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by Silhouette »

infecto wrote: post #265
gck1 wrote: post #257

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Market is fixing it. Memory makers prioritized HBM and enterprise NAND, some, like Crucial, went out of consumer business entirely. At the same time, the rational market is behaving rationally - they're not increasing production because they're fearing AI bubble could burst, leaving them with oversupply and expensive factories. The market, apart from AI market, is behaving exactly as it's designed and as it should. B…

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Why not? The point of regulation is to fix things when market forces haven't been sufficient. You keep talking about winners and losers but it's unclear to me who you think is actually winning in this situation.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by shmeeed »

nutjob2 wrote: post #407
pluralmonad wrote: post #387

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Where are these unregulated markets? Are you trading with your neighbor? If so, good, the more of that the better.

An example of unregulated market is where I come to your house and put a gun to your head and in exchange for not pulling the trigger you give me your various items of value. That's one form of trading with your neighbor.

Username checks out

Edit: upvoted because it's true

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by mrmuagi »

xslvrxslwt wrote: post #327

They're using Arbor, they were cheap for that exact reason. Now that people don't care about Anti DDoS - this happens. In the past everyone was leaving Hetzner for the OVH/Voxility due to terrible latency and nonexistent protection.

> Now that people don't care about Anti DDoS - this happens.

Could I prod why that is? I'm dealing with a ovh server and using their anti-ddos detection for an issue currently so this topic I'd like to learn about.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

nutjob2 wrote: post #407
pluralmonad wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are these unregulated markets? Are you trading with your neighbor? If so, good, the more of that the better.

An example of unregulated market is where I come to your house and put a gun to your head and in exchange for not pulling the trigger you give me your various items of value. That's one form of trading with your neighbor.

If you're relying on threats of violence to make your trades then you've become the regulator.

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Post by vdupras »

maxboone wrote: post #109
vdupras wrote: post #100

Silver lining: can you imagine how dirt cheap RAM will be after that bubble has popped? Oh my...

RAM producers aren't adding more capacity on the non-HBM side of things, so we shouldn't see a dramatic drop in pricing if AI HBM memory demand drops.

If we end up with metric tons of unused HBM memory lying around, I'm sure that someone will design a general purpose computer using them, or design a HBM-to-DDR interface.

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

MBCook wrote: post #325
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #285

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Yes. In fact that's not just normal, that's very frequent in market.

Please provide historical examples.

Tyson Foods, Cargill, JBS, and National Beef controls roughly 85% of the U.S. beef market

CVS Caremark, Express Scripts, and OptumRx manage over 80% of all prescriptions in the U.S

Amazon buys 50% of all books.

These examples are even more extreme than at least 3 major clouds present in the US buying hardware.

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Post by vdupras »

Ekaros wrote: post #182
vdupras wrote: post #100

Silver lining: can you imagine how dirt cheap RAM will be after that bubble has popped? Oh my...

It won't. Demand is being pushed forward. That means that longer this situation take longer it will take for prices to recover to same levels.

If you delay your iPhone upgrade because of RAM prices, you're not going to buy two at once because you were delayed. So push, forward, push forward, sure, but to a point.

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Post by nradov »

Betelbuddy wrote: post #463
nradov wrote: post #459

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That article doesn't support your point. Only a small fraction of the homes in that area are actually owned by hedge funds. You should check the facts before commenting.

You misunderstood me for the second time...

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