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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by axus »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #446
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

I came on here to say that point but you said it much better then i ever could. For the record i am unapologetically pro israel, and their actions in Gaza while regrettable were largely unavoidable. What is striking is that the death toll in Iran from a couple of weeks of demonstrations is half as much as what Gaza suffered in 2 years of a devastating war. Even taking into account the difference in population this is…

A lot of people died that did not have to, they are certainly comparable. Russia and Ukraine are a better comparison; Putin says that Ukraine doesn't exist and that he was forced to by NATO, etc.

The IRGC had "no choice" if they wanted to remain in power; but they did have a choice.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by mhb »

vasco wrote: post #480
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

In the simplest ways also, to "fix" the situation in Iran, potentially a war has to start. To "fix" the situation in Palestine, a war has to stop. That's inherently very different.

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by nkozyra »

misiti3780 wrote: post #496
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

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It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

Yes, OUR government does fund Iran. Read about the Iran Nuclear deal under Obama, we gave them billions, more than we have given Israel. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-united-states-iran-an... https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-...

That's an extraordinarily loose definition of "gave"

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by misiti3780 »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #372
ripped_britches wrote: post #298

Legitimate question - why am I not seeing this in the news? This is horrifying but where is the coverage?

And there are many other legitimate questions: where are the celebrities speaking up to defend the cause of the iranian protesters? Where are the students in western universities protesting against what the iranian regime did? Where's the International Court of Justice's condemnation of iranian politicians? Where's the flotilla led by Greta Thumberg in support of the iranian people? There are, IMO, very grave and ver…

Any sane person knows we shouldn't take any of the protestors seriously (they're all hypocrites, the lack of protests over this is proves it). Both Gaza and this are obviously tragedies but they only care about one

I cant believe Greta as a platform in 2026; people are dumb i guess

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Post by chimprich »

gryzzly wrote: post #271
pjc50 wrote: post #249

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> civilians aren't the target in Gaza "We killed about 80,000 people by mistake" isn't the exculpation you think it is.

No one who is sane is saying that. IDF is saying – we killed 40.000 combatants who were hiding in ciivilan infrastructure, so unfortunately 1:1 civilian deaths happened, becaue of the terrorist urban warfare tactics hamas and palestinian islamic jihad are using.

> becaue of the terrorist urban warfare tactics hamas and palestinian islamic jihad are using

This is ridiculous.

I don't want to be a Hamas apologist; they're certainly brutally cynical enough to use civilians as shields, but in the case of Gaza, what else would you expect them to do?

Urban areas are strong defensive structures, and 75% of Gaza is urban. Where else would you expect them to fight? It would be unrealistic to expect Hamas to take on the IDF in open farmland so they could be annihilated by Israeli air power.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by noah_buddy »

program_whiz wrote: post #488
cdelsolar wrote: post #462

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it's about preaching to the choir. I think it's an atrocity what happened to those Iranian supporters. But what's the point in posting about it? Everyone else thinks it's an atrocity. We have no power to change things in Iran.

One other point -- I think the left has effectively shifted the conversation on Israel very quickly. I think immediately following Oct 7 atrocities, public support was overwhelmingly with Israel. By raising awareness of the situation, it has now become more slanted towards "peace in Palestine." I see no reason a similar type of shift couldn't occur on any issue if a coordinated effort to discuss it and raise awarenes…

> it would likely cause change and or discussion by those in power.

The reason this is an absurd comparison is because on the Palestine issues, it’s a desire to stop using / selling weapons into a conflict and on the Iran issue “causing change” would be starting another war in the Middle East.

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Post by mhb »

diego_moita wrote: post #459
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

I disagree. There are deeper aspects in this tragedy. I don't want to be called "leftist" because I don't want to belong to any tribe. But I do embrace a lot of the humanist ideals of the so called "progressives" and I think they might have some moral ground in here. But feel free to call me whatever you want. In my perspective, the oppression in Iran is different from what is going on in Gaza. It is more like what h…

> Zionism is a racist project from one ethnicity against other, it is the racist government of a racist people committing genocide against another ethnicity. It isn't an internal issue of a sovereign state as much as apartheid wasn't an internal affair of the South African regime.

And did you come to this worldview before or after October 7?

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Post by diggyhole »

bdelmas wrote: post #289

I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

Because the people who funded and organized the pro-palestinian marches were backed partly by China and Iran.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by noah_buddy »

sysguest wrote: post #500
noah_buddy wrote: post #469

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Again, what am I supposed to do about it? If one lives in one of most western countries, one’s government has sanctioned Iran to the gills. Even the government can do little more, except engage in war. Compare this to Palestine, where direct action and protest is much more tangibly impactful.

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Getting past the point that this is a discussion of something meaningless in the first place (posting as social activism), why might left leaning people talk more about an issue they might tangibly have impact on over one they can have no impact on?

They are not equivalent topics!

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