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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Dictatorships require at least some sort of state monopoly on violence. That's how power ultimately works. As of now there's no way for the state to enact such a monopoly in the US.

the usa is seeing the state employ that monopoly right now: - against opposing members of the legislative branch (lamonica mciver) - against opposing members of the judicial branch (hannah dugan) - against opposing members of the executive branch (ras baraka, andrew cuomo) - against opposing private organizations (harvard, institute for peace) - against opposing private individuals (chris krebs) - against defenders o…

The proletariat has the capacity to violently resist (See: Butler,PA), but the Venn overlap among those with the most firepower and those who actually support the oppressors is two concentric circles.

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> The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students. Trump's history has shown that if you cave into his demands, he doesn't leave you alone—instead he starts demanding even more, since he knows you'll fold.

can you give an example?

Everything Columbia University did and what they got in return.

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It's not surprising that people chose being able to afford food over intellectualism.

Americans can afford food. We are nowhere close to 19th century french peasant levels of problems. Imagine throwing 300 years of democracy and tradition out the window because food prices went up 30%. It went up all over the world but America is the only place that is actively throwing bricks through our own windows. reads more like a childish temper tantrum than any coherent political move.

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Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

Many people associated with the University are pretty happy about it getting smacked down. Shameless, wrong, and overtly illegal discrimination on the basis of race, sex, and creed, suppression of free speech, even the compelling of speech have all been de rigeur for Harvard for the past decade. I just wish they would use a scalpel rather than a sledge hammer.

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It's not surprising that people chose being able to afford food over intellectualism.

Americans can afford food. We are nowhere close to 19th century french peasant levels of problems. Imagine throwing 300 years of democracy and tradition out the window because food prices went up 30%. It went up all over the world but America is the only place that is actively throwing bricks through our own windows. reads more like a childish temper tantrum than any coherent political move.

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Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

If you speak out against the government, the government will retaliate. Simple as that.

That is not how it is supposed to work in the US.

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Exactly this. It's nothing but an attempt to punish them for not kissing the ring. If only we had another arm of government able to hold this clearly corrupt behavior to account....

There would have been a stronger one if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had retired at a time that supported a 5/4 ideological balance on the Supreme Court. Instead of the hubris to hold onto the job until death and thereby subsequently undo many of the things she spent her life fighting for. Finding a successor and handing over your power is one of the most important responsibilities of the powerful, when they have a say.

Pretty bold to blame RBG without spending a breath on Mitch McConnell, who stole an appointment from Obama because he said it was too close to the election to fill the seat; and then rushed to fill the seat vacated by RBG even though it was so close to the election. Treating the court with that kind of partisan contempt is the reason why the court is as partisan as it is.

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Freedom of speech and assembly. Visas and academic accreditation shouldn't be leverage against speech the government disagrees with, they should be granted and removed according to a predictable and unbiased process. Really all government actions should follow a predictable and unbiased process, a.k.a "The Law".

Just, throwing this out there, but it seems a distinct possibility that this Administration doesn't hold the same regard towards "Rule of Law" as did previous Administrations.

I'm not altogether certain I'd rely on "Rule of Law" to save anyone in the current environment.

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