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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

morkalork wrote: post #181
dragontamer wrote: post #70

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> We’d be much better off with a president Vance. Vance literally defended the eating cats and dogs lie during the debate. The entire fucking point of this platform is to fuck the immigrants, legal or otherwise. Or is this actually a surprise to anyone with half a brain?

His defense of those lies was incredible. According to him, it is perfectly fine to make up and repeat fabrications because they advanced the narrative they wanted to push, full stop. The truth doesn't matter, no regrets.

You were downvoted, but here is him saying exactly that:

https://youtu.be/vVJ_Icosa3s?si=urohSO8q_iLFJpg2

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Post by ethbr1 »

JCattheATM wrote: post #414
bananalychee wrote: post #405

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Fighting antisemitism is clearly not the true motive behind this ideological "war", just as denazification was clearly not the motive for Russia's invasion of Ukraine; it's just a convenient excuse to target institutions such as Harvard that are unwilling to distance themselves from the progressive left.

Exactly this. It's nothing but an attempt to punish them for not kissing the ring. If only we had another arm of government able to hold this clearly corrupt behavior to account....

There would have been a stronger one if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had retired at a time that supported a 5/4 ideological balance on the Supreme Court.

Instead of the hubris to hold onto the job until death and thereby subsequently undo many of the things she spent her life fighting for.

Finding a successor and handing over your power is one of the most important responsibilities of the powerful, when they have a say.

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Post by multjoy »

simonh wrote: post #407
lenerdenator wrote: post #385

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Dictatorships require at least some sort of state monopoly on violence. That's how power ultimately works. As of now there's no way for the state to enact such a monopoly in the US.

Agreed, dictatorship is a gross exaggeration. Sliding toward fascism? Sure. Would Tump like to do away with election? He’s said he does, that they won’t be necessary.

In the bill that has recently been passed, the republicans have inserted a clause that means no administration official can be found guilty of criminal contempt by the federal courts.

This will mean that the courts are literally powerless against the administration's malfeasance. The executive will be able to do what they like, and even if this bill doesn't pass the senate, SCOTUS will likely strike down as unconstitutional any appointment by the courts of a private attorney to prosecute criminal contempt because it has been stuffed with useful idiots.

This isn't sliding towards fascism, this is speed running 30's Germany.

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Post by benlivengood »

Animats wrote: post #408
ty6853 wrote: post #82

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The semester is already over, many of them went home. They'll simply be refused when they try to come back.

That's a real issue. If you're on a student visa, and were planning on coming back in the fall, leaving the US for the summer may be a bad move. Entry to the US can be denied arbitrarily. Deporting someone is harder.

> Deporting someone is harder.

It used to be harder and mostly seems to be a matter of ICE finding the right door to break down now.

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Post by TimPC »

vel0city wrote: post #78
ty6853 wrote: post #19

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Most the universities will do the thing asked in order to re-instate their student visa certification. i.e. provide intel needed to deport any students that they believe have opinions that are not in the interest of national security. Most likely Harvard will try to fight it in court and then give in if they lose. It's not likely we see the future decertification continue into the academic year.

> they believe have opinions that are not in the interest of national security So people committing thought crimes huh? This is the US in 2025 - indefinitely imprisoning people without any actual charges for having opinions the current administration doesn't like.

This is the country of free speech zones away from the main event in the early 2000s and sending WWI dissenters to jail in 1914. You’ve long pretended to have freedoms you’ve never actually been given and this is hardly new.

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Post by zdragnar »

JCattheATM wrote: post #422
xhkkffbf wrote: post #339

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A friend is a big Harvard alum. He says that most of his classmates are very unhappy with the direction of the university. So in his circle the alumni may be cheering this on. Maybe not the extremism but the general idea of telling Harvard that it needs to get back to truth-seeking.

It boggles my mind that anyone with, apparently and allegedly, such a high tier education, would be against the actions Harvard has been taking this year. They are literally just fighting for basic academic freedoms.

Allowing students to (allegedly) be harassed on the basis of their race is what is under contention, not the broader notion of academic freedom.

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Post by daveguy »

bgwalter wrote: post #410
daveguy wrote: post #344

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> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. Turns out the "deep state" is just some made up bullshit to make people distrustful, angry, and easier to manipulate. > Is some other faction at work now, or is it the same people as before? Are the power networks changing? Nope, it's always been this dynamic. It's made of people after all. But that doesn't…

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

Many people associated with the University are pretty happy about it getting smacked down.

Shameless, wrong, and overtly illegal discrimination on the basis of race, sex, and creed, suppression of free speech, even the compelling of speech have all been de rigeur for Harvard for the past decade.

I just wish they would use a scalpel rather than a sledge hammer.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

lenerdenator wrote: post #385
soupfordummies wrote: post #374

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It's hard for me to see this as anything more than "they resisted Trump, that pissed him off and now he's further retaliating." Side question I've been wrestling with to whoever feels like commenting: At what point would you look at our current US situation and say "yep, we're now in a dictatorship"

Dictatorships require at least some sort of state monopoly on violence. That's how power ultimately works. As of now there's no way for the state to enact such a monopoly in the US.

the usa is seeing the state employ that monopoly right now:

- against opposing members of the legislative branch (lamonica mciver)

- against opposing members of the judicial branch (hannah dugan)

- against opposing members of the executive branch (ras baraka, andrew cuomo)

- against opposing private organizations (harvard, institute for peace)

- against opposing private individuals (chris krebs)

- against defenders of opponents (multiple lawfirms)

- not to mention rewarding private individuals who employed private violence against political enemies -- we saw this during duterte (ashli babbitt, the rest of the insurrectionists)

if there is no monopoly on violence in the usa, who else exactly is the monopolist permitting to use it?

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