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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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The problem is that posturing can turn into reality (which is perhaps what you're trying to say). I do think Russia was posturing. They began seeking negotiations 4 days after they invaded, and outside of an absurd longshot decapitation strike all of their early maneuvering was much more performative than military in nature. With Ukraine's entry into NATO appearing increasingly imminent, they likely felt they could f…

> With Ukraine's entry into NATO appearing increasingly imminent Say what? AFAIK, Ukraine wasn’t even eligible for entry due to the organization’s rules on contested territories.

The most clear trend in modern times is that rules are "flexible" when convenient. Here [1] is the relevant Wiki page, dated to the day before Russia's invasion. NATO had repeatedly emphasized that Ukraine would be accepted into NATO, all that was missing was a date. In the context of this, there was ongoing escalation between Russia and NATO. Russia repeatedly sought any sort of means or agreement to ensure that they wouldn't end up with NATO setup on their doorstep. And NATO increasingly antagonistically disregarded and even belittled such interests. At the same time being ever more provocative with things like NATO-Ukraine military exercises in the Black Sea.

It feels very much like the intent was to provoke, especially when this largely parallels the Cuban Missile Crisis with roles reversed. When the USSR wanted to expand their military reach to Cuba, we nearly started a nuclear war over it. And in that case, Cuba doesn't even share a border with the US! So it's not like we simply lacked the ability to understand why they might have a genuine concern here.

The reason I backdated the article is because when you read that it sounds exactly like Russia is making their intentions of an invasion, if a compromise cannot be reached, rather unambiguously clear. And so if you read it, with hindsight, one might think it was edited with that outcome in mind.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ukraine%E2%80%93N...

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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> Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move. Was it? The scale was surprising, but troop build ups were noted ahead of time and Russia had been fighting in Ukraine for many years. Am I misremembering?

You're not misremembering. The US government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, the Ukrainian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, and the Russian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen. The mainstream media warned everyone the invasion was going to happen, and the financial markets responded. Some people don't have the sense to come in…

> Some people don't have the sense to come in out of the rain.

Those people included almost all western governments who had blithely assumed Russia was not threat, did not react to the previous invasion (and some took the stance Russia had the support of the inhabitants of ethnically Russian areas), did not react to the invasion of Georgia, and generally just assumed it would be OK - which Russia took as a signal the west would be fine with an invasion of the rest of Ukraine.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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According to the submission, this is what India said: > India said it struck nine "terrorist infrastructure" sites, some of them linked to an attack by Islamist militants on Hindu tourists that killed 26 people in Indian Kashmir last month. Four of the sites were in Punjab and five in Pakistani Kashmir, it said. Since you're saying this is a lie, maybe link to some source for this, since the source we currently have…

Pak terrorist infrastructure is not a military target even though they are hand in gloves with the Pak army.

> Pak terrorist infrastructure is not a military target

Maybe we understand "military target" differently? Going by the Geneva Conventions:

> In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

This is at least how I understand the term, and by that understanding, "terrorist infrastructure" could be considered legitimate military target. What understand of those terms do you have?

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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You're not misremembering. The US government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, the Ukrainian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, and the Russian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen. The mainstream media warned everyone the invasion was going to happen, and the financial markets responded. Some people don't have the sense to come in…

>the Ukrainian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen Quite contrary, the Ukrainian government was publicly saying that it was all bluffing. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60174684 Zelensky repeatedly said that the West was creating a panic. Ukraine's repelling of the attack was heroic and legendary, but the truth is that if it wasn't for the astonishing incompetence of the Russian…

I'd forgotten about Zelensky's prewar media strategy. Whoops.

Regarding Russia: did the strange televised meeting of Putin's war cabinet (whatever it would be called), wherein everyone went around the room and voted "yes" to invasion even though a couple of them looked like they were in a hostage video, happen before or after tanks rolled into Ukraine? In my mind that's a "prewar" thing but maybe I got the sequence of events wrong? (I'm finding it hard to google this even though it was a fairly important event. Weird.)

> Western intelligence predicted Russia's plans perfectly

I remember thinking the white house handled communications surrounding the invasion very well, kind of a rare foreign policy bright spot for them. Too bad it didn't make a difference.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

> Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war They have nukes. They don't need to be rich to do massive damage. Sure doing so would have terrible consequences, but cooler heads sometimes don't prevail. Or only prevail after much suffering and pain.

More important ,ever since the multipolar great games resumed , they will have customers for nukes. Trump really was the final nail on deterence reliance ..

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

Putin is a particularly deranged type of fascist though, much like Bush, who is okay making the poor calculation of a Ukrainian invasion for the benefit of a wartime economy. Even German ambassadors in Ukraine were caught off guard having to leave that night. Modi is a different type of beast, he's a long term political power that doesn't need a wartime economy, and is still establishing his internal power. He's goin…

Putin is not a fascist. He is a Russian nationalist/imperialist dictator. Far more like Catherine the Great than like Hitler or Mussolini.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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New proxy war between US-aligned India and China-supported Pakistan? My understanding is that China and India don't tend to get along politically.

India is not US aligned. They're an independent country with an independent foreign policy, doing whatever makes sense for them. Buying Russian gas on the cheap, buying French, American, Russian military equipment.

China is a potential threat to them, which is likely to mean an alliance with the US will makes sense to them, especially if the US becomes more hostile to CHina.

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Haven't there also been conflicts with the Sikhs for decades? I don't think you can completely blame this on just the Muslims.

Its a country almost 3x bigger than Europe, 4x bigger than US, and brutally diverse. Thousands of languages and tribes. People from west are very different to east, north and south is same. People who haven't experienced it first hand (or at least grokked the numbers properly) can't fathom how huge it is not just geographically but culturally. There is a reason why India is often referred to as subcontinent and peopl…

India is not the subcontinent. The subcontinent includes several other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_subcontinent

That said, you are right that India alone does have massive diversity of culture and geography.= and is vast.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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> Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya As always, westerners leave in an information bubble. Chechnya was always a part of Russia. It was a civil war. Ukraine was always a part of Russia until 1991, btw, there was never a separate country called "Ukraine" before 1991 - you can easily find that even in Western history books, although I'm sure they'll be rewritten in some way soon, if…

> there was never a separate country called "Ukraine" before 1991 By your standards there was no separate country called Russia between 1918 and 1991. So how is this different? Also absurd argument. There was no country called Belgium until the 1830s. So what? > So this distortion of reality works the other way round So your justification for distorting reality is that other people are allegedly doing that so it’s fi…

the nazis came as far as they did because a ton of peoole greeted them as liberators and joined their new oppressors to fight for a free homeland. You dont do that unless you really hate the empire you are imprisoned in..
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