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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by chgs »

bilbo0s wrote: post #483
yoyohello13 wrote: post #292

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The only real issue is these assholes are taking me down with them.

Maybe that's what the people want? Maybe they don't like the fact that there's people out there making 500 grand a year? At least not while they're struggling to make ends meet on 50 grand a year. Now your leaders are supposed to be wise enough to not take down the 500 grand a year guys. But what if they aren't?

And someone with a mere 10m in the bank makes more than 500 grand just from their wealth appreciating.

Yet people seem to have far less concern about people with such relatively low wealth.

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Post by chgs »

sarchertech wrote: post #261
nkrisc wrote: post #242

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And yet he dominates the party. How could that be without popular support from the party base?

It’s easy to dominate the party as long as you have 51% of the primary voters, which in 2024 was about 20% of registered Republicans. Essentially if you have the very strong support of 10-15% of the party voters, you’re untouchable.

Ahh democracy

Of course that also relies on those “I don’t want Trump” republicans actually voting for him.

But let’s assume that all happens and it’s not the fault of republicans because they are apethetic. How do you explain the congress and senate members who back him?

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Post by chgs »

_t9ow wrote: post #338
digianarchist wrote: post #148

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The Singaporean government's hand in it's own economy is larger than a lot of self-professed communist states - Temasek Holdings, Mediacorp, DBS Bank, Singapore Airlines etc etc.

I never understood why libertarians/free market proponents think that Singapore is the paragon of laissez-faire economics. Try studying the country's housing market policies, for example, and you'll quickly realise that the government is extremely interventionist. The difference is between Singaporean policymakers/civil servants and their counterparts from elsewhere is that the former are actually world-class in term…

Singapore is the example of a (relatively) benevolent dictator over decades.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Arguably, a similar problem exists for "big government" ideologues, except more severe.

https://fee.org/articles/10-crazy-examples-of-unrelated-wast...

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by tim333 »

_t9ow wrote: post #338
digianarchist wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Singaporean government's hand in it's own economy is larger than a lot of self-professed communist states - Temasek Holdings, Mediacorp, DBS Bank, Singapore Airlines etc etc.

I never understood why libertarians/free market proponents think that Singapore is the paragon of laissez-faire economics. Try studying the country's housing market policies, for example, and you'll quickly realise that the government is extremely interventionist. The difference is between Singaporean policymakers/civil servants and their counterparts from elsewhere is that the former are actually world-class in term…

Maybe free in some areas eg. trade and less so in others.

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Post by actionfromafar »

tenpies wrote: post #382
Mystery-Machine wrote: post #318

Odd how sentiment about Elon Musk changed rapidly... Some HN users pointed out in the comments here that not even Teslas reach 85%. Is the article wrong? Interesting that everyone is talking about favoriting, but no one talks the anti-favoriting of Tesla during the Biden administration. Tesla wasn't invited to any EV conference that was organized by the previous admin. They are the biggest EV factory in the US yet so…

It's also quite telling that this gets attention and rampant cries about the oligarchy and cronyism, but not a peep about: > New York state lawmakers have launched an effort to shut down Tesla’s stores in the state From: https://electrek.co/2025/04/28/ny-lawmakers-shut-down-teslas... > WA Legislature considers new tax aimed at Elon Musk’s Tesla From: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl... "Fo…

I thought State Rights were so, very, very important?

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Post by protocolture »

epicureanideal wrote: post #417
protocolture wrote: post #331

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American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms. Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end. There must be some quirk with US postage where it is…

> American labor is low quality and high cost. That is the opposite of my experience with software engineers, and my observation of the work ethic of most Americans in a variety of professions makes me think the opposite is true in pretty much every industry. I think "American labor is low quality and high cost" is one of those things people think must be true about some other industry besides the ones they've seen,…

Its my experience with US network engineers, system administrators, cablers, DC operators, business owners and a few other bits and bobs.

Something near 100% of the US telco industry I could not find a polite word to describe. And its very common for obvious deficiencies to be laughed off as normal and acceptable.

>Work Ethic

Lets start with "Listening Ethic" and "Understanding Instructions" and maybe "Work Ethic" will become relevant.

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Post by protocolture »

lenkite wrote: post #433
protocolture wrote: post #331

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American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms. Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end. There must be some quirk with US postage where it is…

> American labor is low quality and high cost Speaking as a non-American, this is just not true. I have always been impressed by the very high quality of American engineers. I cannot comment on manufactured goods though, but I think if the US rebuilds its mid-level industrial pipeline, quality would be amongst the best in the world since Americans generally hold themselves to a high standard. I don't think there is a…

>I have always been impressed by the very high quality of American engineers.

I could not have had a more opposing experience possible.

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Post by lawn »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #259
_2d30 wrote: post #213

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> If the other oligarchs seem to be doing nothing, it is not because they have no power to wield. Good grief, this is just an axiomatic belief, then. No evidence will sway you one way or another.

What part of oligarch is hard to translate into sufficient amount of evidence that does not require me to prove that 1000 million dollars might result in an ability to wield influence that a a simple individual like meself would consider mildly outsized? At this point it is like gravity. You don't have to believe it. It is just is.

Of course they have more influence than you and I.

But that doesn't mean they have enough power to influence the president and to correct course.

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Post by iainmerrick »

guywithahat wrote: post #354
lenerdenator wrote: post #115

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> In the long run, unions can be blamed for this whole Trump Presidency. Yeah, how dare they do the things that make reactionaries be... reactionary.

I think there was a lot of pressure on Tesla/Elon to donate and participate more, and higher ups turned pretty hard on him when he didn't. They were pulling the tax credit from Tesla while holding EV summits with everyone but him. I don't think he was being reactionary, I think his hand was forced. Further he really isn't a conservative. He's still running around on X talking about how we need to double the number of…

I don't think H1-Bs are really a "social-left cause". They're something that big tech companies like because they get to cherry-pick skilled workers and keep them locked in. On the main political spectrum, I think they're pretty centrist. The right dislikes them because they're immigration in disguise, the left dislikes them because they're indentured servitude in disguise.
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