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Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Genuine question for debate: iPhone app store is a private club to which businesses can choose to belong, if they want to sell their product to certain customers. Membership in the club comes with the condition that you not talk about alternative ways to buy the same product, while selling via the club. Membership in the club is not a monopoly; there are many other channels through which to sell a company's products.

Why is is against the law?

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Genuine question for debate: iPhone app store is a private club to which businesses can choose to belong, if they want to sell their product to certain customers. Membership in the club comes with the condition that you not talk about alternative ways to buy the same product, while selling via the club. Membership in the club is not a monopoly; there are many other channels through which to sell a company's products.…

Because EU law says they have let others into their club.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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"Show signs of rent seeking behaviour" seems like an extremely generous position. Forbidding your customers from even mentioning The Outside is full-on rent seeking behaviour, since its inception.

To steel man the policy, one thing it helps avoid is the free rider problem. Apples store terms are than free apps don’t pay a commission to Apple. But someone has to pay for the costs of developing the SDKs and the platform. We no longer live in an age where Apple or Microsoft gets away with charging for multi thousand dollar per year per seat developer license for their platforms, but that doesn’t mean those platfo…

> solve the free rider problem

This framing just doesn't register. You want developers to develop apps for your product, app availability is what makes users choose to buy the hardware/use the OS. They're not "free riding", they're what makes your product worth buying.

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I find this so confusing. Rupert Murdoch and Elon Musk are foreigners who are both demonstrably influencing American politics through media they control. What makes Tiktok different?

The same thing that would make a platform with ties to Russia different. It falls under the influence of a sophisticated geopolitical adversary. Tesla is headquartered and has most operations based in the US. Murdoch's ventures are similar AFAIK. Given how much surveillance modern vehicles do I wouldn't be surprised if imports start being subjected to additional scrutiny at some point. But at least most vehicles can'…

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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You are of the opinion that it is reasonable for a company to expect you to read, understand and fully agree with a contract that consists of countless pages of opaque legalese and that you have no say in whatsoever, just in order to use a service that's arguably a necessity to participate in public life? The EU does not seem to share that opinion, and puts some restrictions on these types of 'contracts'. Are you rea…

What service? You are free to use cellular service without your iPhone. There are other phones available. Apple is not gating your access to cellular

We're not talking about "other phones." We are talking about iPhones. The market is "iPhone users" not just "phone users".

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post #505

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What service? You are free to use cellular service without your iPhone. There are other phones available. Apple is not gating your access to cellular

We're not talking about "other phones." We are talking about iPhones. The market is "iPhone users" not just "phone users".

The parent post said “service that's arguably a necessity to participate in public life”. I’m not sure what universe you live in, but in mine everyday life is entirely possible without iPhones.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Agreed with your first point. Regarding TikTok though the argument was never (AFAIK) that they were actively breaking the law but rather that their structure and ownership posed a threat to US interests. That's pretty reasonable and largely mirrors China's stance against the US. If anything the surprising thing is how lenient western governments tend to be towards foreign corporations. They seem to prioritize free tr…

I find this so confusing. Rupert Murdoch and Elon Musk are foreigners who are both demonstrably influencing American politics through media they control. What makes Tiktok different?

The idea that Murdoch and Musk are not really American and are instead foreigners is a disgusting anti-immigrant sentiment.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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  I met a member of an EU pact
  Who said: two vast and fruitful suits of law
  Prevail in the courts. Near them, in their acts,
  Half won, a shattered victory lies, whose maw
  And wrinkled smile, a sneer of bitter spite,
  Tell that its makers well those voters fed
  Which yet survive, in those politic corps,
  The lips that lied, the hearts that bled
  And on the cover these words, in bold, underlined
  “My name is Brussels, Home of Kings:
  Look on my rules, ye Mighty, and be fined!”
  No thing beside remains. Around the court
  Of that great parliament, in open plans, Aerons reclined
  The ever mighty FAANGs endure.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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People like you keep forgetting that the EU is the single largest consumer market in the world. This does not mean that Apple gets most of it revenue from the EU, but it's still a sweet $90B in 2024. In which world does a company give up on close to $100B in revenue out of spite?

In a hypothetical world where it threatens $1T of revenue.

The app store monopoly is being threatened everywhere that isn't America.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are of the opinion that it is reasonable for a company to expect you to read, understand and fully agree with a contract that consists of countless pages of opaque legalese and that you have no say in whatsoever, just in order to use a service that's arguably a necessity to participate in public life? The EU does not seem to share that opinion, and puts some restrictions on these types of 'contracts'. Are you rea…

What service? You are free to use cellular service without your iPhone. There are other phones available. Apple is not gating your access to cellular

My rant was about the rationale for government restricting ToS contracts in general. Apple is indeed not as unavoidable for participating in public life as some others. The only alternative being 'agreeing to' the Google contract of course.
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