Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

Post by scoofy » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 7:15 PM UTC

gonzo41 wrote: post #374

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I guess because most of their competitors are 100 yrs old? Making cars is really, really hard. Tesla’s first mass produced car was only ten years ago, and their top two models 6 and 3 years ago. The average age of their entire fleet is in the low single digits. In the car world that’s just getting started.

Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

Post by korhojoa » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 7:21 PM UTC

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seshagiric wrote: post #127

My experience as a Model Y owner: What works: - best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right. - Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed. - Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot. What d…

I’m surprised to read software quality as part of what works. I test drove a Y and found that every setting had to be changed through voice commands. I saw the glass roof and thought it might be retractable. I issued the voice command “Open Sunroof” and it responded “Opening Sunroof.” Nothing happened. I said it again, same thing. I said “Close Sunroof”, and it said “Closing Sunroof”, but again nothing happened. Fina…

Post by seanmcdirmid » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 7:32 PM UTC

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Wouldn’t it be more fair to compare a Chinese made Tesla to a Chinese made BYD? Surely, some Chinese consumer sentiment has been developed since they compete head on in the Chinese market?

Chinese Teslas might be higher quality since China has forced Tesla to do multiple recalls for door faults, suspension failures and accelerator problems, including for issues Tesla straight forwardly lied about to customers and regulators in the US and Europe. [0[ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu...

Post by g9yuayon » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 7:34 PM UTC

bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Post by AdrianB1 » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 7:37 PM UTC

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There is no specific task list in the workshop manual. I had cars and motorcycles of various brands and, except for Mazda, nobody has a good list, while Mazda pretends to have one. Even in good car shops, brand or no brand, including the one owned by my family, there is no official list for a "good check", they just ask you: "what do you want checked?". Why? Because if you ask them to check everything, like Mazda say…

Funny, the workshop manual, true it is a single one from the 80s, has quite detailed interval tasks listed. And the detailed instructions later, identified by task code. On top of that, it includes all / most steps regarding diagnostics. And, obviously, detailed instructions regarding repair and replacement of bits and pieces. I never bothered checking those manuals for modern cars so, first I don't do that work and…