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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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> They move fast and break things. You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.

> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric.

In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla.

https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/

https://www.elbil24.no/nyheter/hver-fjerde-nybil-var-en-tesl...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? Having a crap experience across the board isn't a redeeming feature you think it is.

> What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures. I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persiste…

I'm willing to bet a lot, that there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap. These events just happened at the same, general timeframe.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

> That goes for their software also, absolute junk. Compared to what? I am a BMW owner who would never recommend this brand to anybody because of its horrible build and software problems. Thank God for CarPlay!

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies and telemetry/logging to fail safely. My experience involved the car's computer malfunctioning while in lane-keeping cruise control (Autopilot, not FSD). The vehicle would abruptly and violently swerve out of the lane, crossing over the white line into adjacent lanes and towards barriers. Tesla initially attributed these issues to wheel alignment or tracking. It took several service appointments and months to convince them otherwise, requiring me to mount a GoPro in my car and dangerously recreate the issue, which randomly occurred after about 45 minutes of cruise control driving. It wasn't until I contacted their PR department and threatened to involve the press that they took the matter seriously.

What a perilously flawed failure mode. Yet, throughout these months, during which the car swerved erratically at least 20 times, no alerts were triggered, nor were errors or crash dumps logged that could be detected by their technicians or the main office in California. It required GoPro footage from inside my car to highlight the issue.

Their service process is Kafkaesque. Phone support is ineffective, and you're relegated to using a text box in the mobile app that only accepts small image attachments. Videos cannot be uploaded directly; they provide an email address, but emails can;'t contain links or they will be blocked and emails with large attachments won't work. Each interaction feels like starting from scratch, as they don't seem to review the history or notes of your issue.

As for the humidity or fog in your headlights, they claim it's within specifications and will dissipate once the car warms up. There's so much more, phantom breaking at highway speeds, exaggerated range estimates, slow headlight dimming, headlights that need constant re-calibration, terrible rain sensors and wiper modes, etc. etc.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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I was just told last week that my tesla had a recall, I woke up the next day and the "recall" had finished installing OTA; I am not sure how the term SF is measured, but my instinct is that they are reaching. I know that subjective observations are biased, but at work I can divide people into tesla drivers and non tesla drivers, the former have never missed work claiming a car issue, the later has, every, single, one…

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-recall-driver-mon...

That recall still doesn’t fix the underlying issue with the autopilot.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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I can vouch that Dacia or Renault is not any better and serve as a pure gateway to Apple Carplay.

VW don’t even support CarPlay though. I am stuck with an android POS that literally does nothing other than take up dashboard space, and a phone glued to the front of it. Can’t even listen to music as the tuner has never worked, and Bluetooth has a range of about 2cm. Dealer said it’s working as intended.

where do you live that VW doesn’t support car play or did they drop support? My last two vws going back to 2017 in the US support it and so have vws i’ve rented in Spain.

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> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

I doubt that. The innovation in lithium ion batteries was fueled by the demand for consumer electronics, laptops in particular. It’s the batteries that made electric cars possible. Tesla’s did kick off the trend of big screens in cars. I prefer buttons to touch screen interactions while driving, but many people want an iPad and Tesla made that happen.

Giving where credit's due, some of the high-discharge long-endurance Li-Ion research is done by Tesla. Other electronic devices generally converge towards slow-discharge, semi-fast charge, low self-discharge batteries.

EVs are unique in their battery requirements. They demand high-discharge, high-endurance, very fast charge batteries, and Tesla did some research on that front. What's important that they were not the sole researchers in that area.

On the other hand, they lack the know-how required to make cars efficiently and assemble them with state of the art methods (minimal/standardized fasteners, fatigue management, fast manufacturing with consistent quality and finishing, etc.).

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Weirdly enough, I've heard good things about Dacia's reliability specifically because they use old parts that are known to be reliable. I don't have first-hand experience though so maybe that's not true.

It's probably true, and these tests are economic protectionism in disguise.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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post #173

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> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

I doubt that. The innovation in lithium ion batteries was fueled by the demand for consumer electronics, laptops in particular. It’s the batteries that made electric cars possible. Tesla’s did kick off the trend of big screens in cars. I prefer buttons to touch screen interactions while driving, but many people want an iPad and Tesla made that happen.

> innovation in lithium ion batteries was fueled by the demand for consumer electronics, laptops in particular

The battery chemistry and production methods didn’t change fundamentally from Goodenough’s formulation. What did was scale manufacturing. China took the lead, with A123’s tech. But Tesla showed there was demand for EVs in the rich world, and that production could be tamed such that money could be made from it. (EV batteries share little to no production footprint with cells for consumer electronics. They drain differently.)

Pretty much every EV sold in America today was financed by investors looking for the next Tesla, or announced by manufacturers in response to Tesla.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I cannot say much about parts quality since I have owned my Tesla only for 6 months, but the software is top of the line of EVs.

There seems to be a bunch of Musk hatred that people just transfer to Tesla hatred.

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