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Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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I wonder if it is related to this: [Microsoft briefly restricted employee access to OpenAI’s ChatGPT, citing security concerns]( https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/09/microsoft-restricts-employee... )

Umm Microsoft employee here, we were never allowed to use ChatGPT on work related stuff (e.g. post code into it). Instead we have our own separate instance of ChatGPT we can use. Additionally CoPilot is fair game since we own that.

This isn't a new policy and has been the case for at least a year.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#502

To me, his tweet suggests he saw it coming or perhaps it was even part of the plan for him. How else would he already know "what's next"? These past few months his name has made its way into the mainstream. Maybe its time for him (and half the GPT eng team) to cash in?

It's in his interest to make everything seem not just fine, but part of the plan.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#503
What did Sam Altman hide from his board that caused his firing as CEO of OpenAI?

1) That LLMs cannot generalize outside of _patterns_ they pick up during training? (as shown by a recent paper from Google, and as many of us know from our work testing LLMs and working around their short comings)

2) That every time you train a new model, with potentially very high expense, you have no idea what you're going to get. Generally better but also potentially bigger reliability challenges. LLMs are fundamentally unreliable and not stable in any kind of use case besides chat apps, especially when they keep tweaking and updating the model and deprecating old ones. No one can build on shifting sands.

3) The GPT4-Turbo regressed on code generation performance and the 128K window is only usable up to 16K (but for me in use cases more compicated than Q&A over docs, I found that 1.2K is max usable window. That's 100X than he advertised.

4) That he priced GPT4-V at a massive loss to crush the competition

5) That he rushed the GPT Builder product, causing massive drain on resources dedicated to existing customers, and having to halt sign ups, even with a $29B investment riding on the grwoth of the user base. Any one of the above or none of the above.

No one knows... but the board.. .and Microsoft who has 49% control of the board.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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The most credible proximate cause to me is his sister’s uncontested (by him) allegations of frequent sexual abuse when they were children. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman...

Hasn't that been around for awhile?

In any case, I don't think not responding is an admission of guilt. Assume he was totally innocent. What good does him responding to it do? Would make hundreds of thousands of people aware of it, instead of just maybe a few dozen thousand. An accusation like that is hard to shake off even if you're totally innocent.

That said, I hope if it is true, there's some sense of justice.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#505

Saying this is sudden would be an understatement. Sam Altman spoke at an APEC panel on behalf of OpenAI literally yesterday: https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1725318771454456208

Wasn't it his tweet (and not via company) that announced the pause on new pro membership yesterday??

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#507

- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently - Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity - They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying” The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fir…

Altman has claimed before that he doesn't hold equity in OpenAI. He could have some kind of more opaque arrangement that gives him a material stake in the financial success of OpenAI, and downplayed it or didn't disclose it to the board.

Who knows, though -- I'm sure we'll find out more in the next few weeks, but it's fun to guess.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#508

Can't say I saw this coming. This is deeply sad to me. OpenAI did so much life changing work so quickly. It has totally changed my life in terms of enabling an absolutely unprecedented increase in my own personal productivity and how ambitious I can be with my projects. And even though I know Sam didn't personally code the key things, I believe that it never would have happened the way it did without his instincts an…

>I also find it maddening how boards of directors rush to insulate themselves from any possible issue and are so quick to throw overboard the very people who enabled the success that they get to participate in. I'm thinking particularly of Travis at Uber and how he was thrown out of the thing that he built from scratch...

This is an egregiously generous way of framing Travis Kalanick, and what happened to him.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#509

My bet is that the last paragraph of the statement holds the key: > OpenAI was founded as a non-profit in 2015 with the core mission of ensuring that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. In 2019, OpenAI restructured to ensure that the company could raise capital in pursuit of this mission, while preserving the nonprofit's mission, governance, and oversight. The majority of the board is independen…

The most plausible explanation is that OpenAI tech was used for the military. That would explain why Eric Schmidt would not (and his immediate support) and that board is anti-mil tech enough to think those applications don’t “benefit all of humanity.”

Ilya and Mira probably didn’t know and might have discovered it recently and raised it with the board, hence the promotion. Note: both have Eastern-European ties, so if the application is in Ukraine, they could have strong feelings about it. Greg co-signed or knew and didn’t tell.

Alternatively, Elon did, through Starlink and wanted to get revenge.

Alternatively, it could be a case where there was an option, Sam refused on ethical grounds without telling the board; they thought what is happening in Ukraine (or Gaza) justified the intervention. They confronted him and he lied.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#510

pure speculation: ChatGPT training dataset contains massive amounts of copyrighted material, and he told the board it didn't. now there's a big looming liability.

Not possible. It’s well known that the training data was not public domain. OpenAI was in the process of securing private agreements for more training data. They likely trained GPT-4 on every word ever written in a book, newspaper, website or social media network.

Given the wording and the apparent stepping down of the board chair, this is very likely a conflict between the grow at all costs startup folks and the AGI true believers. Sam was likely going to fully sell out and make himself filthy rich. The AGI cultists wanted to retain control over their Frankenstein’s monster.

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