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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by shostack »

rchaud wrote: post #218
hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

> The VR headset is a case in point - if I want to be guided through the process, then I will ask for that. The reason this is done is to: a) limit bad online reviews due to ill fitting headsets or unfamiliarity with the controls b) to ensure that people looking to buy it have their expectations managed c) to give it the upscale, prestige feeling of going to a tailor for a fitted suit. Useless theater for a tech prod…

Also, given the production issues I'm wondering if this is being done to reduce returns. I'm curious what the return policy actually is.

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Post by croes »

sq_ wrote: post #389
hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Slight tangent to your tangent, but, after a poor experience last week, I'm really disappointed in how Apple handles specifically support in their stores. Historically, I've been able to just throw in a few little bits of "yup, I know how that works" so that their techs realize that I know what I'm talking about and let up with the patronizing assumptions about what I do and don't know. However, this time, when deali…

What did you expect from the you-are-holding-it-wrong company?

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Post by bluepod4 »

jerojero wrote: post #485
gizajob wrote: post #464

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Well, it's not exactly perfect because I was in the mood to simply buy a basic Air, until I was pretty well talked out of it by sales staff, so instead of an easy £1099 in the till, in their attempt to turn that into £2500, they got £0. That isn't good business. Also, the tedium of nowadays knowing that all the products will be bumped in spec in 9-12 months means that instead of excitement, buyer's remorse has alread…

I wonder how representative you are of the average consumer though? I imagine their pricing structure works well to upsell people on average, which is why they have maintained it for long. Also, why would someone like you even go to the store; I had no issues whatsoever buying a macbook from their website. No reps, no nothing, I set my specs and clicked buy and a few days later had my product. I think most people wit…

> It is often that I see people on hackernews post as if the world was designed for them. When, in reality, they are most definitely the odd-man out.

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Post by HWR_14 »

CHY872 wrote: post #344
HWR_14 wrote: post #232

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In response to a couple of your points: (1) The HoloLens used eye tracking. It was tough to get used to but it was interesting. I didn't feel that I ever got to the point where it was more precise than moving my hand to a 3d point in space. (4) I doubt it's the headset. It's almost certainly the application the headset is running.

I do some sim racing. I can race for hours with a Reverb G2 but get nauseous within minutes with a Meta Quest Pro.

I'll see if I can try racing in the Reverb G2. That was my go to example of games that made me nauseous in VR.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by gpm »

hyperthesis wrote: post #365
nomel wrote: post #295

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It didn’t work because the pixels per degree isn’t enough, even with the Quest Pro, to show clear text. I still use it for coding, but it’s very far from ideal.

Apple claim text is crisp with VP. They also claim the resolution is similar to retina - but their stated pixel count and my guesstimates of usage distance suggest it's about half (in each dimension, so a quarter for area). If they've got it crisp, how big a deal do feel that would be? For yourself, and for others who've been interested?

For what it's worth I think of lot of guesstimates of PPD are likely a bit low. You can play games with lenses to increase it near the centre of the display where it actually matters (because your eyes don't travel that far away from straight forwards, so you can have much lower resolution in your peripheral FOV).

SimulaVR, a competitor with roughly half the number of pixels (2x2448x2448 = 11,985,408 vs 23 million), claims to go from 24.48 PPD naively calculated to 35.5 PPD near the centre of the display using this.

https://simulavr.com/blog/ppd-optics/

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Post by ajmurmann »

BizarreByte wrote: post #283
ajmurmann wrote: post #88

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How sparse are Apple Stores where you live? I have three within very comfortable driving distance and I live in a mid-sized city's metro.

There is one in the whole on Nova Scotia. Not everywhere in an American city.

Most people live in urban areas though. Nova Scotia has only a million inhabitants and half of them live in Halifax where I assume the Apple Store is. If something needs fitting and prescription lenses it seems reasonable that a physical location needs to be visited and this is the kind of trade off one makes when moving to a rural area. I'd bet that this will still be convenient for the vast majority of the population.

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Post by dools »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

If you know just what you want you could a) buy online or b) buy it from any other retailer. The Apple Store is for people who want to speak to apple staff

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Post by warning26 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #265
JKCalhoun wrote: post #71

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> They need to go back and read the Newton’s postmortem. With every new detail about this devices release - it’s becoming clearer and clearer this device just is not ready. In fact their actions suggest they already know this. It feels like Apple felt obliged to show .. something, anything .. after so many years of work (7 years? Just a guess). I think this limited appointment-only release is part of a cautious wait-…

> They need to go back and read the Newton’s postmortem. With every new detail about this devices release - it’s becoming clearer and clearer this device just is not ready. Neither was the Mac that sold abysmally for years and Apple was propped up by the Apple // series And neither was the iPod. They sold less than 1 million in the first two years. Or the Apple iPhone that barely captured 1% market share tte first ye…

> Or the Apple Watch which was slow, with bad battery life and a horrible SDK.

In Apple's defense, it is still two of those things. (No longer slow though!)

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Post by XorNot »

steveBK123 wrote: post #149
drewg123 wrote: post #136

This product has opened my eyes to "AR" glasses in general, but I think its way overkill for what I want to do.. My use case is being able to code with a giant screen anywhere (plane, hotel room, etc). I just want a few giant editor windows and terminals open. I don't care about gaming, AR gimmicks, etc. From what I understand, there are a number of sub $500 options. (xreal air, rokud air, TCL NXTWEAR, etc). However…

If it was easy to do well on the cheap it would already have been done. Apple seems to have maxed out every possible spec and put a ton of research and software into making a great experience. Probably will see it move down price points from here (it already has Pro in name so presumably that’s the top). The parts will get cheaper over time as well which will help.

While true... That doesn't mean it will actually be any good at what it's trying to do. VR/AR is truly at the edge of our current technological abilities - Apple can have done everything to the best standard possible and still not be good enough here.

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Post by calsy »

How do you drum up interest in expensive bit of tech with few apps and many undesirable drawbacks which limit its adoption to enthusiasts and in turn interest from third party developers? Pretend its exclusive and hard to get I suppose?

Media and companies still pushing the VR hype garbage... its not new, its not 'the future', get over it.

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