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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by Silhouette »

ghaff wrote: post #331
Silhouette wrote: post #293

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People don't buy coffee on the way to work, people don't buy coffee on the way home, people don't buy sandwiches and snacks, people don't spend money on commuting, people don't spend money at resturants for launch, companies stop having team lunches. So your argument that remote work harms the economy is because it hurts businesses that sell coffee for at least a 10x markup over what it would cost to make it yourself…

>I would be surprised if we know what the "new normal" looks like before at least another 5-10 years have passed. I generally agree although a lot of things have generally drifted back to business as usual. However, other patterns still need to play out. The degree to which pre-pandemic office work for knowledge workers who can work remotely goes back to pre-pandemic patterns still has to play out and I suspect, for…

I suspect you will be proved right that the changes often won't be as big as some have predicted. One of the surprises to me about the spike in working from home during COVID was how many people didn't really like it either because their work environment wasn't very good or just because they missed the direct communications and social aspect of working in an office together. Based on that I suspect we'll see a lot of hybrid arrangements in the future as well as some people preferring to work from home full time. I won't be surprised if we see some sort of local work hubs developing as well.

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Post by kentm »

stickfigure wrote: post #488
kentm wrote: post #476

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Maybe you missed the part where Musk hired a private investigator to prove that the guy was a pedophile. The investigator lied about the evidence, and Musk did no due diligence but directed his PR team to leak those lies to the media, and then threw a hissy fit when the media didn't reprint those lies uncritically. The whole "pedo guy is just a generic insult" is a laughable lie that Musk tried to float in court. The…

The investigator lying about evidence is news to me, but hiring an investigator when someone sues you seems perfectly fair game? I mean, if you sued me over something frivolous and I had the resources for it, I'd tear your life apart too. Exchanging insults on twitter is one thing, filing lawsuits is something completely different. Nobody comes across looking pretty here, sure. But it's a real struggle to care one wa…

Musk hired the investigator before the diver sued. The diver sued because Musk basically said "No it wasn't just an insult, I really believe he's a pedophile and I have evidence" to multiple parties. Musk tried to ruin a guys life because he said that Musk's submarine was a publicity stunt. In no way, shape, or form are what they did equivalent and you have a serious moral deficiency if you think they are. Its incredible to me that anyone would try to draw a moral equivalency here.

> Nobody comes across looking pretty here, sure. But it's a real struggle to care one way or another about it. Sounds like that's exactly what the jury thought.

The jury found for Musk because Musk didn't name the guy in his tweets. Thats why the diver lost. I don't think you can extrapolate from that verdict to "actually they were both equally bad."

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #465
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #451

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After that comment I decided never to buy a Tesla if I can afford one. Good car, scumbag CEO.

Haven't the alternatives caught up to them, anyway? Most of the EV coverage I see nowadays is for cars made by traditional manufacturers, and are always saying that they match teslas (or are big improvements, such as the f150 lightning)

I'm really hoping someone creates a viable alternative to the Roadster 2.0

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Post by notabee »

Auracle wrote: post #453
notabee wrote: post #345

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I think the parent poster might also be talking about consequences, such as this gem that the CDC dropped recently. 20% of the working age adult population possibly having new onset long term health effects. Oops! (And that's not even getting into things like whether certain chopped up viral fragments might be seeding protein tangles and thus Alzheimer's or Parkinson's.) >These findings translate to one in five COVID…

Eh, this limitation mentioned in the study seems pretty huge to me: > Finally, the study only assessed conditions thought to be attributable to COVID-19 or post-COVID illness, which might have biased RRs away from the null. For example, clinicians might have been more likely to document possible post-COVID conditions among case-patients. In addition, because several conditions examined are also risk factors for moder…

For sure, that overall number could vary a lot, and this really needs further breakdown that distinguishes between more minor, annoying effects versus fairly life altering ones (like new diabetes or significant kidney damage). There was another one about breakthrough outcomes that did distinguish a difference in risk reduction for various severe and non-severe post-acute effects (the TL;DR being, vaccine breakthroughs are less severe but still far from harmless):

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1529477481127759872.html

Many of these are amenable to direct observation though. Research has already had many objective findings such as lung fibrosis, kidney function damage, abnormal liver function tests, shrunken brain matter (UK biobank study), etc. So the overall number might be debateable, but this is almost certainly going to have a significant impact on the number of healthy workers, not to mention the personal tragedies behind those statistics.

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Post by turzmo »

danans wrote: post #438
turzmo wrote: post #164

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Not agreeing or disagree that Elon is bad at predictions (do predictions even matter from somebody as unstable and fickle as Elon?) but there are plenty of people who have made one or two good bets and then got nothing else right.

> do predictions even matter from somebody as unstable and fickle as Elon? When they command the attention and loyalty of millions of people who believe everything they say, yes they matter a great deal.

Agreed, I misspoke. What I meant to say is, I don't take believe Elon says is an honest "prediction" because I wouldn't be surprised if he reversed course completely within the same day, or was, "just trolling"

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Post by pmcollins »

andrew_ wrote: post #470

Came here hoping for insightful thoughts about the layoffs and market conditions only to be presented with a tidalwave of hate seemingly stemming from a lot of personal dislike of the Tesla CEO. There's been a lot of chatter lately about how HN is getting more and more negative, and this appears to be evidence of valid criticism.

Same. I wouldn't have expected this amount of vitriol on a site for science and technology enthusiasts and hackers -- people who often are the builders in society -- about a guy who ... successfully builds electric cars and spaceships.

It's a shame because the thoughtful, moderate commenters just leave and are less likely to come back.

And btw SpaceX laid off around the same pct of workers a while back and they're doing fine now. Same with a lot of companies, some of which I was working for at the time, and I don't think their leadership was evil.

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Post by sdfhdhjdw3 »

stickfigure wrote: post #431
deelowe wrote: post #303

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I started assuming this after Musk called that cave exploration expert in Thailand a pedophile.

Of all the things to complain about Musk, this seems like the weakest. Some dude started a twitter fight with Musk and got called a "pedo guy" in response. Sounds like a South African response to me. I'm guessing you've never spent time with Australians, they call everyone cunts. Who cares? Potty mouth is not a mortal sin.

> Of all the things to complain about Musk, this seems like the weakest.

I would argue it's the strongest.

"Pedo" is one of those accusations that sticks around associated with your name, often even when it's false.

Knowing that, Elon Musk, one of the best known people on the planet at this stage, called this to a real person. This can ruin a person's life. Did he have any evidence, even circumstantial? Nope. Did he have a reason for this attack? Only that he felt slighted.

So Elon Musk is ok with potentially ruining someone's life if he even as much as feels slighted.

I think even is the strongest hint of what his character is like. And character is, you could argue, the most important predictor of future behavior. I took this hint of character at face value, and after that I've never been surprised when I've since heard accusations of fraud or sexual harassment. No surprise whatsoever.

So if your reaction to this is Elon Must has potty mouth, you're either breathtakingly stupid or dishonest.

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Post by formerkrogemp »

seydor wrote: post #217
formerkrogemp wrote: post #87

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Unemployment in city centers and businesses reliant upon the city commuter and office crowd are not doing well. The unemployment rate of Manhattan is still pretty high for instance. A lot of remote workers have priced out local service workers in some small towns, so some restaurants and businesses are now more or less permanently closed due to short staffing. They can't afford to live where they work so they moved.…

hasnt the pandemic been a much bigger shock than remote work ?

I'd imagine the determining the relative impacts should be best left to policy experts and wonks. I don't think one can determine the impact of the pandemic without also contextualizating the rise of remote work. They cascade and coalesce together.

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Post by asah »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #6

Uh,ok... Two days ago the "Who is hiring" thread here had something like 20+ software engineering positions for Tesla. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31585021 More erratic decision making from Mr Musk. Like, I dunno, the time he told Twitter he was taking Tesla private while tripping on LSD. He needs to step aside from Tesla at this point.

-1: recruiters are just executing, which has nothing to do with corporate above them.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by bdcravens »

danso wrote: post #223

Recession or not, Musk's emails (the stoppage of remote work 2 days ago, and then yesterday's "super bad feeling") seem like reactionary outbursts than wise management. What was the point of pissing people off with the abrupt change to the remote work policy, only for the next day to announce imminent layoffs?

Isn't his boldness one of the traits that his fans cheer on?
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