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I see three points in your post: 1. You want to tell something 'unrelated to this topic'. That's a bad idea because it clutters our discussions. I assume you have some inner pressure and strong emotions about the windmill topic and want to release it. 2. You're picking on city people. They don't notice the decrease of forests because they don't see it when they look out of the window? 3. You are telling us that the d…

1. Yes, I know the rules here. 2. Yes. 3. No, I‘m saying that forest is being removed for windmills. You are assuming that I‘m having some dumb argument. This is what I see where I live. Windmills in a national park with more trees removed for service roads. But please, continue educating.

Prove it. Please, educate us all with facts about putting windmills and cutting trees in a national park.

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"there simply is no incentive to progress without being penalized". Perhaps I misunderstood?

Yeah I think you did. Here is an example, maternity leave is 65% of salary but capped at 1800 euros. If you make 6000 a month and want to make use of maternity leave, you have to lower your living standards significantly so you can stat with your child. This would make a lot of sense and fair for someone making ~2800 though. But as a high earner, and a high tax payer, i cannot use this system “feature”.

Presumably you could take the 1800/month and make up the difference with savings? Even with the maternity leave conditions, it is clearly better to be the person making 6000 than 2800.

But I still don’t understand your broader point. Mathematically a progressive tax system is going to have high income people pay more taxes than they receive back in government services, to fund the services provided to low/zero income earners

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The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. For example, if that train arrives at 10:08a, say, and the next train is the 9:09a which arrives at 12:09a, and you had an 11…

> The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. If you're travelling a significant distance by car for an appointment at a fixed time, don't you have to allow extra time f…

> If you're travelling a significant distance by car for an appointment at a fixed time, don't you have to allow extra time for traffic?

Yes, but once we start going down that road you're taking the 5:08 train. I don't think the variance with German trains is lower than with roads.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

Additionally: not coupled to a fixed train connection, but no seat reservation either. Could also use the Metronome from Hamburg to Bremen/Hannover/Uelzen, and go to Dortmund/Duisburg/Düsseldorf/Cologne/Bonn/Aachen via Münster/Osnabrück in the morning, using whichever REs are available. And doing whatever there. Though I'd be wary of the way back during the evenings, then you could be stranded for a few hours in the middle of nowhere. I remember a trip like this, initially from Dortmund to Berlin, starting around 23:00, having to switch in Hannover. Would have been stranded in Stendal around 02:30 to something like 4:30 or 5:00. Uncool. Just made it to Hamburg instead :-)

Anyway, it remains to be seen how that develops. I'm expecting overload. Especially in times of Covid, I'd be (still) wary to use it.

/me sings: I wan't to ride my bicycle, baaaicycle, baaaaicycle!

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Let’s say you have an appointment at location 15 minutes away from train station at 9:00 and your train arrives at 7:45. You will have to wait for 1 hour and probably spend this time unproductively and maybe even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

If I have an appointment, I'll rather take the train, be rested and have enough time in the train to prepare for the meeting. all the trains have wifi and power. In Germany the trains are also faster than cars on the Autobahn, even if I theoretically could drive 180km/h. All my travels from Dresden to Berlin, Leipzig or Frankfurt are faster by train than by car. ICE only. Now with this offer, the slow RE trains only,…

Metronom from Hamburg to Bremen does 160kph in their DOSTOS on the so called "Rollbahn". Which count as RE/RB, so are usable with this €9 thing.

Short 3.5 minutes Docu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOL0MZQiELI

Long Cab ride:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg608B6CgC4

Track: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanne-Eickel%E2%80%93Hamburg_r...

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The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. For example, if that train arrives at 10:08a, say, and the next train is the 9:09a which arrives at 12:09a, and you had an 11…

Yep. If you have an hour to kill, there’s always good street food, or just exploring a bit. It’s not a waste.

And if you have an every minute counts life style or career you can get work done while traveling.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Yeah I think you did. Here is an example, maternity leave is 65% of salary but capped at 1800 euros. If you make 6000 a month and want to make use of maternity leave, you have to lower your living standards significantly so you can stat with your child. This would make a lot of sense and fair for someone making ~2800 though. But as a high earner, and a high tax payer, i cannot use this system “feature”.

Presumably you could take the 1800/month and make up the difference with savings? Even with the maternity leave conditions, it is clearly better to be the person making 6000 than 2800. But I still don’t understand your broader point. Mathematically a progressive tax system is going to have high income people pay more taxes than they receive back in government services, to fund the services provided to low/zero income…

An average income earner has the incentives to go on maternity leave without lowering their living standards, thats not the case for higher earners without burning through their savings. Its simply unfair to contribute a lot without getting a fair share (65% without cap would have been more fair)

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Nice!

And here I am in Belgium, stuck with the SNCB/NMBS, a small country where doing a few miles by train takes an hour, the trains are always late, there's no place to sit, and it's expensive.

I love Belgium, but not its trains.

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> I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. Here in Germany, there were many voices in favour of making the ticket completely free. What I heard about the reason for not doing so is that the government wanted to easily measure the actual demand in different regions for such a "free" ticket. So the price is low enough that anybody who wants to ride practically "for free" is buying i…

We had cities with free public transport in Germany. One example was the city of Templin in Brandenburg. The project was eventually abandoned because lots of people were just riding the busses out of boredom and busses were permanently full with costs exploding for the city. See: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/nahverkeh...

The term 'Schutzgebühr' comes to mind. No idea what the english term is. Basically a price people have to pay, for the sole purpose to prevent people wasting it if they don't really need it.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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We had cities with free public transport in Germany. One example was the city of Templin in Brandenburg. The project was eventually abandoned because lots of people were just riding the busses out of boredom and busses were permanently full with costs exploding for the city. See: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/nahverkeh...

What is the difference to normal paid tickets? Once the ticket is paid I can ride busses out of boredom the whole day.

Indeed you can but appearantly just that slight inconvenience is enough to offset the truly bored ones.
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