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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Just running the tests in our Rails project (11k of them) can stress out a ton; we're regularly running it on 80+ cores to keep our test completion time ~3 minutes. M1 Max should let me run all tests locally much faster than I can today.

Wow, what is the system doing to have 11000 tests?

  add(1, 1) = 2
  add(1, 2) = 3
  add(1, 3) = 4
  add(1, 4) = 5
  ...

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Docker for Mac Desktop supports the M1 and uses an Linux VM that is ARM. It is not using Rosetta 2 at all.

But if you run x86 images, it will use qemu’s software emulation inside the Linux VM (which is quite slow).

This has been the big slowdown for my org as a number of packages we rely on in docker on debian do not yet have an arm64 version, so have to emulate x86 and take the huge performance hit.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

Has there been any research to OS response times between Macos, Windows and Linux? Ive wanted to switch to Mac many times, most recently to M1 Mac Mini, but cant get over the frustrating slowness. Every action, like opening Finder, feels like it takes so long compared to Windows even with reduce animation on. I always end up returning the mac.

Well thanks for mention it, I really feel the same. Stuff just does not open instant and perceived slowness on macOS is real. Just try simple stuff… Modern Windows just flies most of the time in comparison. Opening a file dialog in finder is a common scenario yet it is so slow and the system seems to appear limited by simple stuff like that. M1 surely improves things but the UI generally seems to prefer animation over raw speed.

I really don‘t know what the reason is but I feel that a lot of people simply ignore this. I use all 3 major systems and I cannot overlook it anymore.

Additionally, Docker is another real issue mentioned for the reasons already. Too bad that it is so common now and its slowness is a growing pain. I feel that WSL (WSLg) on Windows is huge, no comparison to run a traditional VM for the most part if you are not macOS only. Never thought I have to write this…

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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What am I missing here? The marketing presentations spoke about 200GB/sec and 400GB/sec parts. Existing CPU's generally have 10s of GB/sec. But I see these parts beating out existing parts by small margins - 100% at best. Where is all that bandwidth going? Are none of these synthetic benchmarks stressing memory IO that much? Surely compression should benefit from 400GB/sec bandwidth? This also raises the question how…

As people stated in the announcement post, a high memory bandwidth doesn't really benefit CPUs much. That's also why AMD and Intel don't have high memory bandwidth on their cores, because it doesn't really help performance. Where it is beneficial is the GPU; for comparison AMD and Nvidia cards often exceed 400GB/s. A desktop RTX 3090 has 900GB/s.

I don’t think you could even top 150GB/s sustained if you ran memcpy on all ten threads at once. (Though that would be 300 total.)

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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I think a lot of the perceivable speedup in M1 Macs is less to do with these benchmarks and more to do with optimizing the OS and Apple software for the M1 and the various accelerators on the SoC (video encoding and ML).

Don’t really understand this argument - Apple has had 13 years to optimise Mac OS for Intel and only a couple of years for M1 / can’t see how a video encoding accelerator affects responsiveness.

Apple has been optimizing both sides (hard and soft)ware for iOS for a lot longer. They’ve learned.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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> GPU capabilities that blow everything away Compared to previous macs and igpus - an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing

> an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing Not for loading up models larger than 32GB it wouldn't. (They exist! That's what the "full-detail model of the starship Enterprise" thing in the keynote was about.) Remember that on any computer without unified memory, you can only load a scene the size of the GPU's VRAM. No matter how much main memory you have to swap against, no matter how many GPUs you thro…

No way you could train, but if they could squeeze a bit more RAM onto that machine, you could actually do inferencing using the full 175B parameter GPT-3 model (vs. one of its smaller, e.g., 13B parameter versions [1] - if I could get my hands on the parameters for that one I could run it on my MBP 14 in a couple of weeks!).

The ML folks are finding ways to consume everything the HW folks can make and then some.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.14165

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

I share the same feeling, and I'm glad to learn I'm not alone: earlier this year I worked for a (really) sort time with a company who gave me a Macbook M1, which I was pretty excited about. Over the course of the two weeks I worked there, I faced: - frequent glitches when unplugging the HDMI adaptor (an Apple one, which costed an arm and a leg). - non-compatible software (Docker, Sublimetext) - and even a Kernel Pani…

> non-compatible software (Docker, Sublimetext)

What was the issue with Sublime? I use it on an M1 every day without issue.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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1834 ST / 17370 MT [1] But that's also for something which has a TDP of 125W [2], unsure if that's the right number for a mobile chip? Also no clue what M1 Max's TDP is either. [1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/9510991 [2] https://cpu-benchmark.org/cpu/intel-core-i9-12900k/

The Intel CPU is pretty underwhelming. It has twice the number of high performance cores (16 vs 8) but is only 37% faster for multi-core tasks.

That Intel CPU (12900K) has 8 performance cores, i.e. as many as M1 Max.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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I am one of those people. I bought an 8gb M1 Air last month for a project (while I waited for the new models to be released). It baffles me how well this little computer performs with less RAM than I've had in a computer since 2009. I'd love an explanation of how that works. Maybe the SSD is so fast that swapping isn't a big deal?

I looked into this angle recently. The SSDs in the new MBPs are roughly 3x as fast as the one in my 2015 MBP (7.4GB/s vs 2GB/s). To contextualize, the new MBPs have roughly half as much SSD bandwidth as my MBP does memory bandwidth. Which is to say the SSD is much closer to being as fast as RAM, which would explain why is subjectively can make better use of less memory.

It’s also possible that they’re using more and better tricks from iOS to handle memory - in which case the Intel Macs might show similar results if given similar speed disks

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Alder lake is looking really good in leaked benchmarks. I definitely think Intel is down, but not out. Have to see if they can not only catch up, but keep up.

Where can I find these benchmarks?

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i7-12700-non-k-alder-...
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