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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by smsm42 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #393
cronix wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to this substack[1], it was a pilot walkout/"sickout" due to vaccine mandates. It's actually happening in more companies/industries than widely reported. I imagine it's also picked up steam since last weeks revelation from leaked internal Pfizer emails[2] that they used cells from aborted fetuses while testing the RDNA vaccine (testing - it's not in the vaccine), but have publicly stated otherwise. It was a…

> I imagine it's also picked up steam since last weeks revelation from leaked internal Pfizer emails[2] that they used cells from aborted fetuses while testing the RDNA vaccine (testing - it's not in the vaccine), but have publicly stated otherwise. The fact that fetal cells are used in testing has been public for a long time. This article dates back to last December, for example: https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/yo…

TBH, neither is The Atlantic.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-concede...

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/16/im-at-a-loss-for-words-...

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/02/washington-post-atlantic-...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190911050141/https://www.daily...

https://archive.ph/MWN6K/again?url=https://www.theatlantic.c...

And many other examples.

OTOH, Derek Thompson predicted in 2017 that Bitcoin is overpriced at $16K, so maybe he knows something we don't?

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by downandout »

guitarbill wrote: post #495
downandout wrote: post #477

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Yes, I should have said “without the additional ” side effects of the vaccine, but I assumed everyone would understand that part of it. But you are right that I should have been more specific, because someone else responded saying that I was overlooking the effects of COVID itself. So apparently not everyone did understand that. People in these debates tend to assume that anyone questioning mandates is automatically…

> But once you have had it and survived it, the science shows that you have far better immunity than the vaccine delivers. This isn't clear at all, e.g. "Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination" at https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... : > Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was…

That is a very small and seemingly cherry picked (by the CDC) study that does not correlate with much larger studies. The study I was referring to came out of Israel, where the vaccination rate is very high and involved far more people. In fact, natural immunity delivered 27x the protection that the vaccine does.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-isra...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by syshum »

Cederfjard wrote: post #492
syshum wrote: post #469

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>>Vaccination is not 100% effective Nothing is, but my risk from COVID post vaccination is less than other society risks we accept as normal risks of living in a free society, for example my risk of dying in an auto accident is many times greater than my risk from COVID post vaccination >> Vaccinated people do still spread the infection, albeit to a smaller degree I am not sure how this statement is relative to quest…

No one has suggested forcibly injecting anyone. But sure, not allowing people who aren’t vaccinated to participate in all facets of society can be construed as a type of force. Unlike you I see that as reasonable.

All government action and regulations are back by the threat of violence. This is an irrefutable fact, since the is the way government enforces their actions. Sure the first stage maybe masked in the guise of non-violence in the form of fine or other punishments but underlying all of that is the fact that if you resist a person with a gun will show up to force your compliance

Your are correct that I do not find the small risk vaccinated person's have from an unvaccinated person to be at a level to justify mandates as reasonable

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by ceejayoz »

native_samples wrote: post #347
aardvarkr wrote: post #153

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"Pfizer Comirnaty" and "Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine" are biologically and chemically the same thing.

Biologically and chemically but not liability-wise, which makes no sense, and is exactly the point the throwaway is making.

That's a false claim, too. They are identical from a liability standpoint.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/30/false-cla...

> Indeed, contrary to the claims of Malone and others, the Comirnaty vaccine has the same liability protection as the vaccine approved under the EUA. That’s because of a law known as the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act).

> In early 2020, after the coronavirus emerged, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar invoked the PREP Act to “provide liability immunity for activities related to medical countermeasures against covid-19.” So that covers all vaccines that might be produced to combat the coronavirus, whether fully authorized or not.

> “The liability protections afforded under the PREP Act are tied to the declared public health emergency and not whether the vaccine is sold under an EUA,” Castillo said. “Therefore, both Comirnaty and the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine receive the same liability protections as medical countermeasures against covid-19.”

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by ceejayoz »

logicchains wrote: post #388
dabernathy89 wrote: post #367

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> unless they take something that many consider to be quite dangerous. Of course, zero pushback on this nonsense idea

It's such a nonsense idea that Finland and Sweden recently halted Moderna vaccination for under-30s males due to, in the views of their health authorities, the risks outweighing the benefits? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-mode...

> recently halted Moderna vaccination

In favor of Pfizer for that age group. Not in favor of "don't get the vaccine".

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by cheeselip420 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #453
roenxi wrote: post #276

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Well, the specific question that the government is answering is "should these people be employed if they make choices I disagree with". It is more borderline than it might appear at first blush. I'm not sure I can think of a precedent for being so willing to eject that many people from the workforce in such a way.

The actual question is "should these people be employed if they make choices that cause customers to die?"

This hyperbole doesn't help anyone. I'm vaccinated, and I encourage vaccination, but with the moving goal posts of the last 2 years and the fact that the vaccinations (while helping to prevent hospitalizations and severe illness) don't seem to have as drastic effect on spread, it's hard to blame people for re-evaluating the risk/reward.

These mandates will only cause people to dig in their position to become martyrs. It's bad policy, and its not helpful. We need more carrots than sticks here.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by ceejayoz »

nemothekid wrote: post #432
busymom0 wrote: post #331

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I find it hilarious that you are echoing made up statistics about black New Yorkers to claim that I, a black man who grew up in New York, is living in an ivory tower. Only when black people are tool to prove a political point is when you start caring about healthcare for black New Yorkers.

The stat doesn't seem to be (entirely) made up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl...

> Young Black New Yorkers are especially reluctant to get vaccinated, even as the Delta variant is rapidly spreading among their ranks. City data shows that only 28 percent of Black New Yorkers ages 18 to 44 years are fully vaccinated, compared with 48 percent of Latino residents and 52 percent of white residents in that age group.

(I do share the skepticism that the stat was brought up out of genuine concern for the health and safety of that population, though.)

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by Arrath »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #405
bobthepanda wrote: post #263

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Southwest is literally the poster child of low cost carriers. They started the whole business model, which consists of a few things: * they operate literally one type of aircraft, and therefore only have to train their crew once, keep the specific set of parts, etc. * they optimize the hell out of making sure their planes are in use carrying paying passengers for the maximum amount of time * they fly a vast network o…

They used to be a low-cost carrier but they're pretty average now in terms of cost. They've been replaced at the lower-end by Spirit.

It took one trip for Spirit to go onto my personal No Fly list.

While Southwest remains my favorite airline.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by judahmeek »

downandout wrote: post #484
unethical_ban wrote: post #471

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There are very rare "dangerous" side effects to the vaccines.

There have been ~180 million vaccinations in the US and approximately 16,000 deaths shortly after receiving it, along with over 75,000 hospitalizations [1]. That implies the odds of dying from the vaccine are 1 in 11,250, and odds of serious complications requiring hospitalization are 1 in 2,400. The odds of a healthy 35 year old dying from COVID are 1 in 2,700. So the odds of serious, possibly permanent injury, or d…

According to your own statistics...

Odds of dying shortly after vaccine (for all agree groups?): 1 in 11,250

Odds of healthy 35 year old dying from covid: 1 in 2,700

So a healthy 35 year old is 4x more likely to die from covid than vaccine.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by tawayffee2 »

pferde wrote: post #340
tawayffee wrote: post #158

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You're falling for misdirection. This isn't IT related.

Your comment is being downvoted not because people disagree with you, but because it is not bringing anything constructive to the discussion. Perhaps if you bothered to write about what you think the meltdown really is related to, your commend would have some value.

The original comment from the union only mentioned IT issues from June.

"Our operation and our frontline employees have endured continuous and unending disruptions since the first time our airline made headlines in early June due to widespread IT failures."

That's what makes it misdirection, mentioning an issue from June, and very specifically not talking about a current IT issue. If there were a current issue, they would have called it out. The union has also been pretty clear in other statements that operational issues over the past few months were due to staffing shortages, not IT.

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