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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I don't miss having to worry about this type of nonsense. Is it a Dell problem? Is it Microsoft problem? Don't care - I just need my laptop to work.

I've had every Microsoft laptop I can think of. Dell, Lenovo, Acer etc...

In 2014 I switched to Apple Macbook Air and have remained Apple ever since despite the fact that I run a .NET tech stack product company.

Yes the Macbook pro keyboard debacle was a shit show but otherwise my Macs "just work".

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I don’t think 7 years of major OS upgrades and support is really a good example of planned obsolescence…

Luckily I didn't say planned obsolescence, I said manufactured - because that's precisely what it is, Apple is well known for this type of behavior. Introduce candy, don't allow old hardware to run it, pretend like it's a hardware issue. Problem is, they do this for features that demonstrably don't require better hardware, such as the animations in the weather app for the iPhone. It's very obvious what it's about, ma…

I mean, again, 7 years is a long enough timeline that I can’t really feel any negative opinions here. And “force” is much less relevant if we’re discussing what you call “candy.” Apple still pushes security updates for old macOS versions, so obsolescence isn’t even the right word to use, right?

Inducements to buy new hardware is a company’s life blood, and the methodology you’ve outlined seems like the tamest way to do so.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation took about three seconds on my Windows 98 SE laptop. It took three minutes on my Windows XP. It never finishes on modern Windows.

I use it every day on Windows 10. It takes about 30 seconds to go to full hibernate and 30 seconds to restore. My laptop has 32GB of RAM.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I've got a Surface Pro 4. It was great for the first year or so, when I was using it as a tablet on the couch for browsing, reading, and as a digital scratchpad.

I then got an iPad via a ridiculously good deal from Comcast (128 GB 6th generation (which was the latest generation at the time) for $120. The iPad took over most browsing, reading, and scratchpad duties, with the SP4 just getting occasional use when I needed something more general than the iPad.

What I noticed when the SP4 went from daily use to weekly or so is that the battery would always be low when I went to use it. Charge it up fully and shut it down...and a week later it needs charging again.

I believe that is because shut down is really some kind of sleep or hibernate. I've tried disabling all of those, and fast start. I've tried shutting down from the start menu, with and without the modifiers that are supposed to make it really shut down. I've tried command line commands that are supposed to really shut it down. I've tried shutting down from the BIOS.

But no matter what I do it consumes significant power while off. If I leave it on the charger so that it will be ready when I need it, it seems to charge to full, then stop charging until the battery drains a bit, and then repeats that cycles.

The result is after a couple years of sporadic use, the battery was degraded enough that now just using it for light browsing I'm lucky if I get 30 minutes of battery time. So now it is pretty much relegated to only being usable when hooked to external power.

I'm never buying another Surface product. And I'm not buying any Windows laptops or tablets unless there is some reasonable way to definitely turn them all the way off and have them stay that way.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Oh wow. i did NOT know that. Even worse... > Switching between S3 and Modern Standby cannot be done by changing a setting in the BIOS. Switching the power model is not supported in Windows without a complete OS re-install. and on Reddit > Warning: if your laptop is newer than 2019, there is a high chance, your OEM removed any S3 code from the bios, and your laptop will crash entering S3 and you have to force hold pow…

Spoiler: I have an XPS 9500 under Linux, which sleeps fine under S3 but then it never wakes up. So the problem isn't with Windows.

I have an XPS 9500 and it sleeps+wakes, as expected, with S3.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Yeah because if anything, Linux is definitely known for great power management on laptops

Typically linux users (like myself) enable S3 sleep mode, which does exactly what most folks expect it to (sleep until a user action is taken). It's rock solid and I've never had a problem with it in ~8 years.

While there is a BIOS hack to supposedly do that on an XPS 9500/9510, I've yet to see anyone get it to work. I am typing this comment on a 9500 that is mostly great with Linux. Its battery life is subpar though. I'm limited to S2 Idle or deep sleep.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Same sentiment, and that's how I found Linux. I've now made it a solemn vow to convert every daily driver I have to dual-boot Win/Linux when it's a >100GB HD.

My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#508

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

It's definitely a Windows issue. I've had it with non-XPS Dells and completely different brands like Eluktronics.

I have this issue with my Surface Book 2, everything is MS so there's no real excuse.

Didn't notice it in the first couple years of ownership, not sure if it was because my usage patterns changed or some not-so-helpful update that made it worse, but it's really absurd that I can't predict what will happen when I close the laptop.

I did something to disable network activity from interrupting standby, which reduced the issues a bit but not consistently.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I found a solution on Microsoft's website: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/surface-it-pro-blog/s... It appears you can instruct it to avoid connecting to the internet to do stuff while in standby. I hope this works since my Surface Book has bad standby drain after sitting on my desk for 2-3 days off charge.

The best part is, most of these security changes you do get reset every so often from patches, so it will revert to the "bad" behavior within 6 months.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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This is why the M1 iPad would be amazing as an open hardware platform… my 10 year old iPad loses a couple percent a day while asleep.

It seems likely to me that’s true because it is not an open platform.
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