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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Jcowell »

wvenable wrote: post #325
ajmurmann wrote: post #307

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I don't think I see the difference in what you are describing Sony does vs Apple does. What's the non-physical items sold on PlayStation that Sony doesn't take a cut for?

That's not what I mean. Take this example: Fanhouse is an app that sells a digital products created by end users and pays those creators for the content that end users subscribe to. In terms of business relationship and product something like this can't exist on gaming platforms. Game platforms are strictly for publishers to sell their own gaming content. iOS is a gateway to businesses selling both physical and digit…

While I understand what you’re saying The Xbox can download non-gaming apps. Consoles are not locked down to only games.

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Post by _jal »

mkishi wrote: post #473
_jal wrote: post #389

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> Didn't customers pay a premium for Apple hardware because of the unified ecosystem and superior security to begin with Not defending Apple, but offering forever-services for one-time fees is a great way to go out of business. I would not expect the App Store to be subsidized by hardware sales. Also, assuming you accept the premise in the first place, it makes sense to charge the developer, who is the one generating…

Not completely, but maybe enough to lower the insane fees? For instance, why not charge for the services used and a low payment processing fee? If developers bring associated costs, they should pay for it. It just seems 30% is overshooting quite a bit. They want to treat developers like regular customers with regular margins, when they are more like partners bringing them nearly free revenue. I guess I'm too ignorant…

I was responding to comments about a particular pricing model, not defending Apple.

Perhaps I should find a better way to communicate that - making it literally the first words of my post didn't work.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by ajfjrbfbf »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #495

I think these content creators have it too good, they're only taxed about 30% by the government, and 30% by social media platforms, and only 30% by hardware platforms. That's a whole 10% they're left with! Those content creators should pledge 30% of their net earnings to worthwhile causes. It only makes sense. Besides, look at how much they're earning gross to begin with. A whole $0.99 per app, and $0.04 per click on…

They're actually left with 34% if you do the math correctly.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by stale2002 »

slver wrote: post #427
stale2002 wrote: post #347

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> about Apple enforcing the ToS An illegally anti-competitive ToS is the point though.

Don't declare things "illegal" when they've not been.

Hey, we'll see who was right in a couple months then!

I'll save this comment for later. You think that nothing at all was illegal, and I think that at least some of Apple's actions will be declared illegal and anti-competitive. (Although probably not on every count. But still on some)

We'll see who was right. You who thinks that nothing at all will be declared illegal, and me who thinks that at least some will be. And I'll be glad to show it to you, later, when it happens.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by ampdepolymerase »

ajfjrbfbf wrote: post #503
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #495

I think these content creators have it too good, they're only taxed about 30% by the government, and 30% by social media platforms, and only 30% by hardware platforms. That's a whole 10% they're left with! Those content creators should pledge 30% of their net earnings to worthwhile causes. It only makes sense. Besides, look at how much they're earning gross to begin with. A whole $0.99 per app, and $0.04 per click on…

They're actually left with 34% if you do the math correctly.

Don't forget to account for floating point rounding errors.

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Post by arvinsim »

danso wrote: post #267
Jcowell wrote: post #120

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This is what I largely have a problem with (I personally don’t care about the 30% either way) why can Patreon, a similar service, do this but This app can’t?

Maybe it's been grandfathered in? But isn't it already the status quo for Apple to selectively give favorable treatment to bigger operators? Prime Video's app previously disabled in-app buying, but at some point in the past year they made a deal with Apple: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-... > Apple and Amazon very, very quietly unveiled a monumental app deal this week, without fanfare or…

Why is everyone consenting with this favoritism?

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Post by defaultname »

crazydoggers wrote: post #494
defaultname wrote: post #302

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Apple has always had clear exceptions for video, audio, magazine and newspaper apps. "3.1.3(a) “Reader” Apps: Apps may allow a user to access previously purchased content or content subscriptions (specifically: magazines, newspapers, books, audio, music, and video). Reader apps may offer account creation for free tiers, and account management functionality for existing customers." It isn't because Netflix or Amazon a…

Welcome to getting downvoted for posting relevant facts that contradict the group narrative.

There are a core group of extremely passionate anti-Apple folks who seem to go through every Apple thread and downvote anything that doesn't have torch in hand. It's pretty silly, but whatever.

I just saw one of these guys sincerely claim that Safari was "notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web". It is beyond parody.

There was a thread the other day that seriously argued that Apple promised the App Store was "completely secure" (which apparently extends out to guaranteeing the honesty, security and operational practices of every business if they happen to have an app on the App Store). I took multiple -4 downvote sprees for pointing out actual fact and reality, and felt good that I at least wasted a bit of their time.

It's boring and below HN, but it's the reality we live with.

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Post by lostmsu »

defaultname wrote: post #485
smoldesu wrote: post #231

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Telling people that the web is a suitable replacement for native apps is an empty promise, especially when your only option for a browser on iOS is one that is notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web.

"notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web." There are a lot of anti-Apple arguments a passionate critic might leverage, but claiming that Safari is "notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web" is just foolish. It is laughable nonsense.

Has Apple added support for web apps yet? They were around for years now, that would be a prerequisite for switching to web.

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Post by arvinsim »

otterley wrote: post #492
LatteLazy wrote: post #412

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Saying "That's just how it is" is basically admitting admitting it's wrong but refusing to support fixing it. I get where you're coming from. I think Fanhouse is a bad example case. I won't die on this hill. But if that's the best reason for something, we are admitting there is no good reason for it.

The thing is, we can argue ad infinitum as to what an acceptable commission should be. There’s no “correct” value. No matter what it is, someone will always complain that it’s too high. (Case in point: brick-and-mortar merchants who complain about 3-5% merchant fees for accepting credit cards.) But the fact that it’s been this way for over 10 years and the app ecosystem has been very healthy is a pretty good existenc…

10 years is a pretty short time for "this has been always been this way".

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Post by arvinsim »

echelon wrote: post #152
otterley wrote: post #139

I hate to be That Guy, but Apple doesn't care how much money you keep vs. how much money you pay others when you accept In-App Payments. If you paid 90% of your IaP revenues to the power company instead of to content creators, Apple has no way of knowing this. It just would mean that your business has no hope of being profitable. Fanhouse can still pass IaP revenues onto their customers ("creators"), but they're goin…

> This is a business problem disguised as a justice issue. And we're discussing it because the monopoly known as Apple is continuing to gaslight and extort our industry. Apple cannot be the single point of entry into a device that is responsible for 50% of American computing-related commerce. That might have worked if Apple was a small device used by 5% of consumers, but let's be real. Apple is the face of modern com…

Some people like the status quo and would defend it to the death because they make money off it.
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