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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by ryandrake »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #330
glitchc wrote: post #252

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This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

The average income in California 25% higher than Texas (60k vs 48k), but taxes and costs are more than 25% higher in California. The typical home value of homes in California is $599,159. [1] The typical home value of homes in Texas is $224,065 California sales tax rate of 7.25% is higher than that of any other state, and its top marginal income tax rate of 13.3% is the highest state income tax rate in the country. T…

For the cost of a normal middle-class home in Palo Alto [1], I could buy an entire public airport with a paved runway and home on almost 300 acres in the (not Texas) town I lived in as a child [2].

1: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/529-Driscoll-Pl-Palo-Alto...

2: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/37-Colonel-Lindbergh-Ln-M...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by tharne »

ddoolin wrote: post #429
boringg wrote: post #171

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California still has every viewpoint that is imaginable though there does seem to be less space for far right. What's making everyone salty about Elon leaving is there was considerable amount of people who helped him build up in the state (i.e. state benefits, staff who worked incredibly hard for many years, consumers who bought his cars [drive in the bay area]) and he's peacing out, with a slap in the face to everyo…

Genuine question: how do states like Texas, Florida, etc. get by without taxing income? Do they not need that money for their operations? What is the difference between their government and California's? I figure Florida makes it up with their tourism industry but Texas decidedly does not have that.

If you spend less money, you need less money.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by dextralt »

glitchc wrote: post #252
scop wrote: post #195

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We will be moving out of CA in the coming months. We are lifelong residents. We are leaving due to cost of living and especially quality of life for our children.

This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

>36.6% Non-Hispanic White

>41.4% Non-Hispanic White

4.8%. that sure makes a world of difference.

I'm wondering if you're implying that there's something wrong with having such a preference though. You have provided some interesting statistics, would you mind if I did so as well?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by tabtab »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #330
glitchc wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

The average income in California 25% higher than Texas (60k vs 48k), but taxes and costs are more than 25% higher in California. The typical home value of homes in California is $599,159. [1] The typical home value of homes in Texas is $224,065 California sales tax rate of 7.25% is higher than that of any other state, and its top marginal income tax rate of 13.3% is the highest state income tax rate in the country. T…

Note that the oil industry-related taxes and fees tend to subsidize TX coffers. Without plentiful oil, TX would probably have higher taxes.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by Dudelander »

monoideism wrote: post #244
boringg wrote: post #171

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California still has every viewpoint that is imaginable though there does seem to be less space for far right. What's making everyone salty about Elon leaving is there was considerable amount of people who helped him build up in the state (i.e. state benefits, staff who worked incredibly hard for many years, consumers who bought his cars [drive in the bay area]) and he's peacing out, with a slap in the face to everyo…

How do you describe "far-right"? Edit: the reason I ask the question is that I've noticed a trend among people from very left-leaning areas to define anyone slightly right of center as being "far-right". I've been called "far-right" because of beliefs that were typical of moderate Democrats in the 1990s. What label that leaves for people like actual Nazis, fascists, neo-Confederates, etc, I'm not sure. Far-far-far ri…

Some views Moderate Democrats held in the 90s could be very far right, depending on the subject. Bill Clinton supported "Don't ask, don't tell" and the defense of marriage act. They were considered moderate in the 90s, but I would classify them as far right today. A moderate in the 1930s could literally have supported Fascism, and the "progressive" Woodrow Wilson supported the Klu Klux Klan. I'm not saying this applies to you, but "moderate XX years ago" is not an argument against something being far right.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by manigandham »

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

The state has gone downhill on every metric possible. People can't name even 5 things that have improved over the past decade. Taxes, infrastructure, homeless, rent/housing, cost of living, gas, traffic, smog and pollution, crime, illegal immigration, gangs, fires, droughts, private property issues, local govt gridlock and deficiency, and now the weather isn't great either.

Unfortunately many of those leaving don't realize the policies they voted for are the main cause of this mess and might repeat the same thing in the new areas.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by chillwaves »

threeseed wrote: post #478
atomi wrote: post #136

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> CA at some point will try to tax unrecognized capital gains Where is the evidence for this? Effectively, Elon has avoided future California capital gains taxes by moving. Those are the facts of his move. Personally, I would rather pay a few points extra on capital gains and income taxes to avoid Texas. Just look at what the Texas AG is doing right now: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/12/08/texas-ag...

Texas AG is just doing that to get a Presidential pardon. It's pretty despicable that he is willing to throw the country under the bus for his own personal benefit.

While half the country cheers on. How many of those half actually believe in what's happening and how many are just along for the ride, pursuit of power above all else?

It's sickening how a coup attempt is being normalized by our media.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by tabtab »

boringg wrote: post #483
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #470

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Compared to California, most states depend less on income taxes and more on property taxes, which is part of the reason why property prices are higher in California.

I think California would have higher property taxes if they hadn't implemented prop 13 back in the 80s. Really messed up the state tax dynamics imho. Policy started from a good place but ended up with weird ripple effects.

Indeed. Proposition 13 was a monkey wrench.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by olalonde »

techsupporter wrote: post #220
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

> There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him.

What did he extract from California? Was he on welfare?

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