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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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The republican party has no counterpart anywhere in the world. They are led by evangelical bigots and some of them even believe in QAnon conspiracy theories. It is the hideous face of inbred de-evolution of philosophical and political ideas into fanatisms and childish naratives. They are not going away. Educate you population, separate church and state now, and maybe future trumps wont be able to do so much damage.

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#502

To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

I think this is down to your bubble. I know quite a few people who want Biden, and said they would have voted for Trump again over Sanders (who was the most notably discussed other person). I know a bunch more people who are as you describe of course.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#503

To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

The DNC had at least _half a dozen_ better candidates this time. They had better candidates last time, too. It's just that the establishment wants to be in control, so they put Biden in (and Clinton last time). If that's not obvious, I don't know what to tell you. The GOP establishment tried that too, with Trump, but they're less organized, so Trump tore them up pretty easily due to his unorthodox campaigning.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#504

What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

What surprises me is how politicised American teenagers have become nowadays. I'm a (European) Millenial, and when I was 14 neither I nor my peers had any faith or interest in politics. Have a look on Reddit, where most of the population is US-based teenagers: in that place politics has infected every single discussion. /r/The_Donald was a bunch of angry teenagers. Meh, I must have become a cynical grumpy old person:…

I mean, at least on the surface, things seemed pretty optimistic in the late 1980s through the 1990s, from what I remember. It wasn’t a utopia, but it’s easy to see how there would be less pressure for young people to be involved in politics.

The Cold War ended and the USSR peacefully dissolved, democracy was ascendant, the Good Friday Agreement ended The Troubles, East and West Germany reunified, the Schengen Area and the Eurozone were established, the International Space Station opened an era of international cooperation in peaceful space exploration, life expectancy was up, disposable income was up, new and amazing technologies were developed at record pace, substantially improved treatments for fatal conditions like HIV and cancer were entering the market, we’d nearly cracked the human genome, we’d made great progress in eradicating infectious diseases, people around the world were being lifted out of poverty, crime was down, the Western economy was strong. The world seemed less divided and closer together than ever.

Today, tensions between superpowers are up. Russia and North Korea have renewed the threat of nuclear armed conflict. The UK exited the EU. There’s an obesity crisis. Many of our amazing technologies have turned out to be terribly unhealthy and destabilising. Authoritarianism is on the rise, along with domestic and sectarian terrorism. The Western economy was shattered in 2008 and now there’s a global pandemic. Immigrants fleeing instability in other countries have led to political upheaval and conflict. The US became an unreliable ally. And, above all, the existential threat of climate change looms over their entire future.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#505

On the data nerd side I continue to be shocked at how people misinterpret the certainty of polls/forecasts. Forecasts give us probability distributions based on historical polling error data. Not infallible predictions the expected value will 100% happen. It’s fairly revealing of society’s general innumeracy, just as it was 4 years ago when Trump won.

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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#508

What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

An amicable solution instead of civil war, or being divided and conquered: how about a national divorce?

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#509
The division and basically legal corruption are my concerns.

On a basic level, we are all people and all run the same basic way, and have the same basic needs.

One layer up, we are Americans. Those of us who travel, or who communicate outside the domestic US, see many other nations and often a higher degree of solidarity as citizens.

Looks like a priority problem to me.

We all need to earn enough to make it, or we all end up paying the costs associated with chronic homelessness, for example.

We all need to see the doctor too.

Eating good food, and the other human basics are not hard to understand.

Often, I see "those other people" type arguments of various kinds too.

Lazy people. Different colored people. Weird people. Other people; namely, not people like us, or not in our tribe, group, and...

Ordinary people do not have very effective representation. Money talks. And it should, but that brings me back to priorities again.

No judgement, no blame here. Just observations.

I submit resolving these things to a more harmonious body politic is on us people. I am not convinced anyone, or entity can just swoop in and improve things.

That is just where we are today.

One other observation:

Nations older than us have been where we are. Their peoples have had to do the work to get past it, and have had to do that multiple times.

This tells me we aren't experiencing anything fundementally new, in human terms.

But it is new to America. New in the sense of the USA being young enough, and the pace of change in the world being rapid enough for the state of things to feel new, or like doom, or, or...

Given the burden of improving on our current state lies with us as people, citizens, I submit the following:

We all need to understand one another better. That starts by talking. Really talking and listening. This is best done sans judgement, and with deliberate intent to understand better.

We all are where we are in life, and we all have made choices, and relitigating the past does not appear to hold answers for our future.

This is about what we do now. It is about our priorities as humans and Americans too.

Take voting, for example.

People had the following options:

Vote Major Party

Vote other

No vote.

Everyone made their choice and had reasons, right?

If we apply the intent to seek understanding of one another and avoid judgement, that means having a talk about why people voted or no voted the way they did.

People no voting, often did so because they did not want to consent to, or endorse, approve of what they see as ineffective, corrupt governance. Or they did not connect a vote to a positive future for themselves and theirs.

Why is that? I think many, and include myself until recently, would rush to judge and blame.

A vote for non major party X really is a vote for major party Y. Same for staying home.

After talking some, the idea of candidates interviewing for a job comes up and poor or toxic representation means not approving them for the job, and with that we see lazy, or stupid aren't really valid as reasons why.

I will stop there, and urge you to think about how all of that is framed up as a duty, or burden and how people may reject all of that in light of what they may see as an irrational election.

Same goes for how people have voted or not before too. Those decisions are made, cannot be unmade and people had their reasons for making them.

Notably, after some real discussion, the reality hits: we can't tell people to approve of potential leaders, and we can't dictate what is best, nor their point of view.

We can talk to them and understand what they need to cast a vote. We can attract them to join a cause and all that too.

So why doesn't that happen more?

I submit this is a big part of the priority and mutual understanding and consideration discussion we all need to have.

Without that talk being a fundamental part of our body politic, we appear to be divided into factions, blocs who understand others, "those other people" increasingly poorly as pressure to avoid the worst continues to rise.

With that discussion, it becomes much easier to see what we may consider an obvious, rational choice, say lesser evil as an example, really is not so obvious, or may even be harmful, not a lesser evil, but perhaps just a different kind.

No matter how this all goes, at any given time our future is about the decisions we make together, the actions we take together, and the outcome we live with together.

The election is past us now, but please do consider it was about the votes people were about to cast, not the ones they may have cast in the past.

Talking about all that is much easier and can be far more effective when people are not also fending off negative, and frankly until we understand one another better, uninformed personal judgements too.

We are divided to a harmful degree despite all of us having the same basic humanity.

I urge you to talk, and I mean really talk with others very indifferent from you, who live differently than you do and understand one another better.

I do not know how we get our priorities in order as people otherwise. And without that, we rub the risk of our future continuing to be an increasingly mixed bag for increasing numbers of us.

Finally, consider this idea:

When we make the discussion about what we oppose, it is not going to be about what we need, or want that is good.

Think about trying to lead a team by only telling them what not to do. They will get somewhere, and it won't be anything anyone opposed either.

We all benefit from an explicit, public good. That means the basics are in order leaving people with free agency to get after better, or what they want.

Understanding one another better will make that explicit, public good more clear.

It will improve our basic solidarity as people, reduce division.

I submit one final idea:

There will not be a net public good we all benefit from and depend on, unless we make the discussion, body politic, about it.

And that is how I am playing it now, and have been for a while now.

I want and need to be voting FOR good, not AGAINST bad, or evil.

You probably do too, and I encourage you to make more of the discussion about that explicit, public good and demand our leaders do the same things; namely, understand the people they need votes from better, and to apply that understanding to propose policy people can vote FOR, not just default to people voting AGAINST the very worst.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#510

To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

I think it's a mistake to dismiss Trump in this way. I see Biden as a very safe and strong choice. Trump was extremely well-liked by his base. I think he is the most magnetic candidate that Republicans have fielded since Regan.

It took a huge effort, a strong and widely palatable candidate, a safe platform, a great campaign, a pandemic, mail-in voting, all the pooled power of the tech companies, and a lot of luck to take him down. Seeing how difficult it was just cements it for me that I am in a bubble and that tens of millions of people have very different worldviews and values than I do. It is very hard to admit to myself that my core values might not be widely shared by others.

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