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Post by khuey »

wadkar wrote: post #489
manfredo wrote: post #419

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Politics moves slowly. 10 years is barely more than 1 presidency. China bans Facebook despite the company offering to comply with censorship/propaganda rules (and Zuckerberg even offering Xi to name his child). The ban is unambiguously due to strategic concerns over a foreign company having access to user data. The change in US policy towards Chinese apps is not retaliation, it's just the US coming to the same conclu…

> The ban is unambiguously due to strategic concerns over a foreign company having access to user data So Europe/India/everyone else should ban US apps? It becomes a slippery slope. > the US coming to the same conclusion as China that letting rivals foreign powers control media companies is unwise. If you’re worried about a foreign company manipulating media then put in laws and regulations. That way American compani…

If Europe is concerned that the US is a threat to its collective security they might want to start with getting rid of all our military bases and alliances before worrying about comparatively trivial matters like apps.

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Post by electronWizard »

sidlls wrote: post #361
pm90 wrote: post #333

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America applies diplomatic pressure too, for the things it finds important. This is how international politics work.

There’s diplomatic pressure and then there’s egregious crackdowns in service of totalitarianism.

>then there’s egregious crackdowns in service of totalitarianism.

Are you meaning using opaque processes to decide who goes on secret kill lists and then assassinating them with drones. Including American citizens with no due process?

Don't get me wrong I like the US, especially when compared to China, but you can't claim the moral high ground in international diplomacy when twenty years into this century you've already invaded two middle eastern countries and destabilized a few others.

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Post by partiallypro »

getmeoutofhere wrote: post #500
wadkar wrote: post #494

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> If you are so inclined, you can actually visit Xinjiang yourself and ask Uighurs there about the situation. China has been actively been encouraging foreign inspectors to visit Xinjiang to see the situation. Oh that sounds news to me. I was under the impression that no foreign media was allowed to freely roam and report in Xinjiang. Can you please share your sources and any instances of foreign to China (and perhap…

"Muslim Pakistan says outcry over China detention camps ‘sensationalized’" https://www.arabnews.com/node/1423536/world 37 countries have also signed a UNHRC letter in support of China's Xinjiang policies, the majority of whom are Muslim countries, and these countries include traditional US allies such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/which-countries-are-for-or-a…

I don't know how to tell you this, but a lot of Muslim groups don't like other types of Muslims, and China pumps so much money into those states that they likely wouldn't bat any eye anyhow, especially with Qatar and Saudi Arabia having their own slavery problems.

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Post by summitsummit »

hourislate wrote: post #258
m3kw9 wrote: post #158

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The type of entertainment TikTok provides is getting tiring. Is like fb videos on turbo. Sugar high can only last so long

It exposes the level of mental illness in America and around the world. You have teens threatening to kill themselves if it gets banned. What will all these girls do if they can't get some attention and a dopamine hit every few hours. Woman are taking to Tik Tok and posting farewells crying and dancing. Some are even threatening the President. The app is poison but perhaps it's no worse than Insta, Twatter and FB and…

if my life is going to get ruined anyway, I'd prefer to choose the option to pick my poison than to take the government/corporate mandated one.

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Post by partiallypro »

getmeoutofhere wrote: post #498
partiallypro wrote: post #490

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I'll bite. Cite your sources and I'll address them. > After reading your bio, I'm not surprised that it's full of comments defending the CCP. Maybe it's because some of us grew up watching the horrors of the Iraq war, and the immense duplicity, chaos, and waste of human potential? Those who opposed the Iraq war were overwhelmingly silenced back then and I refuse to let the same happen now.

Which is why your entire comment history is near exclusive to supporting the CCP? Seems strange how that is somehow related to Iraq and not just broad US policy in general.

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Post by hajile »

albacur wrote: post #388
billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

> Chinese policy seems to have not significantly changed in the last 5 years towards the US, but on the other hand US seemed ever more keen and eger to pursue a hostile attitude towards China. For decades, China has blocked U.S. companies from fair competition, reneged on trade deals when it suits them, backed out of industrial partnerships after extracting the IP it deems useful, and generally been a bad trade partn…

Look over the US bills for 2020. The only ones passing both Democrat House and Republican Senate are either coronavirus or China. The level of concern is so big that the Democrats basically did a rather public 180 on China during an important election year.

As far as the company, the President seems fully allowed to place restrictions on companies as foreign policy. If you're talking about the "American" part, it is owned by foreign entities, so the case still seems pretty good. Chinese spying on US citizens on US soil is definitely a foreign policy issue.

Obama's administration was known to walk up to companies with a rubber-stamped order to do whatever (usually spying on US citizens) and the place a gag order on the company so they couldn't even tell their users what was happening to them. If that was never challenged, I doubt this would be as preventing spying is certainly more moral than doing the spying.

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Post by khuey »

getmeoutofhere wrote: post #487
jariel wrote: post #143

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It's not 'US market forces' that will open China, and it never was. It was the opportunity to expand into global economic markets, with a certain perspective in mind, ballpark along the lines of Western Liberal Democracy and Economy. The Asian countries that followed this path after WW2 were enormously succesfull: South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan. They are basically beacons of prosperity surrounded by…

You cited various Asian countries, but literally every one of those countries paved the same path as China. Authoritarianism with protectionism (as allowed by the rules of WTO developing nations), followed by economic prosperity and democratization.

Xi Jinping has made it very clear that China is not going to follow the authoritarianism -> democratization part of that pipeline under his watch and other countries are reacting accordingly.

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Post by getmeoutofhere »

partiallypro wrote: post #503
getmeoutofhere wrote: post #500

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"Muslim Pakistan says outcry over China detention camps ‘sensationalized’" https://www.arabnews.com/node/1423536/world 37 countries have also signed a UNHRC letter in support of China's Xinjiang policies, the majority of whom are Muslim countries, and these countries include traditional US allies such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/which-countries-are-for-or-a…

I don't know how to tell you this, but a lot of Muslim groups don't like other types of Muslims, and China pumps so much money into those states that they likely wouldn't bat any eye anyhow, especially with Qatar and Saudi Arabia having their own slavery problems.

Explain to me why Sunni Muslim (same as Uighur) countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, and the UAE signed the letter in support of China, all of whom obtain more funding, arms, and security from the US than China?

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Post by khuey »

horsemessiah wrote: post #414
NicoJuicy wrote: post #71

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China shouldn't expect a free pass while it continues to abuse global trading.

Congress should pass laws in retaliation then, not the President.

Congress has passed a number of laws delegating a substantial amount of power to the President on matters of international trade and national security, e.g. IEEPA.
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