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Post by rum3 »

mrb wrote: post #262
XCSme wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a lot of Nest complaints, isn't there any security issue if Nest goes down?

My whole house is covered by a Nest Secure alarm system. At the moment my Nest Guard is telling me "it's offline". But if someone breaks in the house, the alarm will still ring in the house, however I believe I won't be notified on my phone (can't even log into the Nest app), and the alarm monitoring center (operated by Brinks under a partnership with Google) probably won't be notified as well, which sucks. I'd love…

Why did you install this in your house?

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Post by Raidion »

_xerxes_ wrote: post #349

Nest is down too, not surprising given they are part of Google. What I don't understand is why I can't still control my devices over my local network. Why does the system even require access to Google servers?

It doesn't, but it sure was easier implimenting one connection through Google APIs instead of two: one through Google and one through local network.

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Post by joshuamorton »

nullwasamistake wrote: post #494
ignoramous wrote: post #391

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11 9s isn't uncommon. AWS S3 does 11 9s (upto 16 9s with cross region replication?) for data durability, too. AFAIK, AWS published papers about their use of formal methods to ascertain bugs from other parts of the system didn't creep in to affect durability/availability guarantees: https://blog.acolyer.org/2014/11/24/use-of-formal-methods-at... This is a pretty neat and concise read on ObjectStorage in-use at BigTech…

You have to be kidding me. 14 9's is already microseconds a year. Surely below anybody's error bar for whether a service is down or not. 16 9's and aws should easily last as long as the great pyramids without a second worth of outage. What a joke

This is for data loss. 11 9s is like 1 byte lost per terabyte-year or something, which isn't an unreasonable number.

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Post by dreamer_soul »

_Marak_ wrote: post #489
based2 wrote: post #266

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/bw1gye/most_googl... https://www.zdnet.com/article/some-internet-outages-predicte... 768k Day

This should be voted higher up. According to https://twitter.com/bgp4_table , we have just exceeded 768k Border Gateway Protocol routing entries, which may be causing some routers to malfunction.

Isn't it weird that it's happening now even though that number was surpassed nearly a month and half ago?

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

tntn wrote: post #269

There goes 3 nines for June and for Q2. I guess everyone gets a 10% discount for the month? https://cloud.google.com/compute/sla

Remember to request the credit!

From that linked page:

"Customer Must Request Financial Credit

In order to receive any of the Financial Credits described above, Customer must notify Google technical support within thirty days from the time Customer becomes eligible to receive a Financial Credit. Customer must also provide Google with server log files showing loss of external connectivity errors and the date and time those errors occurred. If Customer does not comply with these requirements, Customer will forfeit its right to receive a Financial Credit. If a dispute arises with respect to this SLA, Google will make a determination in good faith based on its system logs, monitoring reports, configuration records, and other available information, which Google will make available for auditing by Customer at Customer’s request."

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Post by agwa »

nullwasamistake wrote: post #494
ignoramous wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

11 9s isn't uncommon. AWS S3 does 11 9s (upto 16 9s with cross region replication?) for data durability, too. AFAIK, AWS published papers about their use of formal methods to ascertain bugs from other parts of the system didn't creep in to affect durability/availability guarantees: https://blog.acolyer.org/2014/11/24/use-of-formal-methods-at... This is a pretty neat and concise read on ObjectStorage in-use at BigTech…

You have to be kidding me. 14 9's is already microseconds a year. Surely below anybody's error bar for whether a service is down or not. 16 9's and aws should easily last as long as the great pyramids without a second worth of outage. What a joke

The 16 9's are for durability, not availability. AWS is not saying S3 will never go down; they're saying it will rarely lose your data.

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Post by duxup »

mr_toad wrote: post #475
hinkley wrote: post #217

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I haven’t written a status page in a while, but the rest of my infrastructure starts freaking out if it hasn’t heard from a service in a while. Why doesn’t their status page have at least a warning about things not looking good?

Status pages are the progress bars of the cloud.

I worked on the networking side for years.

Now the web development side and I'm all "Wait a minute...are there any progress bars that are based on, anything real!?!?!"

I should have known...

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Post by redler »

Pxtl wrote: post #500
TeMPOraL wrote: post #204

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So can a compromise of a "smart" lock. It's a fake trade-off, because you're choosing between lo-tech solution and bad engineering. IoT would work better if you made the "I" part stand for "Intranet", and kept the whole thing a product instead of a service. Alas, this wouldn't support user exploitation.

Yeah, my dream device would be some standard app architecture that could run on consumer routers. You buy the router and it's your family file and print server, and also is the public portal to manage your IoT devices like cameras, locks, thermostats, and lights.

You can get a fair amount of this with a Synology box. Granted, a tool for the reasonably technically savvy and probably not grandma.

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Post by duxup »

Scoundreller wrote: post #320
duxup wrote: post #276

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In my experience public status pages are "political" and no matter how they start tend to trend towards higher management control in some way... that leads to people who don't know, aren't in the thick of it, don't understand it, and / or are cautious to the point that it stops being useful.

Same with most corporate twitter feeds. I’d like to follow my public transit/airport/highway authority, but it’ll be 10 posts about Kelly’s great work in accounting for every service disruption. And No, I don’t want to install a separate app to get push notifications about service disruptions for every service I use.

A good Twitter account is a wonderful thing....the bad ones hurt so bad.
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