In this context absolutely worth mentioning is the Public Transport Enabler ( https://github.com/schildbach/public-transport-enabler ). This is what we used to create this prototype: https://medium.com/@highsource/reliable-train-connections-ap... Disclaimer: I'm working for the Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) and try do some persuasion work towards Open Data here internally.
Could you explain why a railway operator might not want their data to be opened? After all, better availability of data might convince more people to use trains.
List of European train stations and associated metadata
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Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata
#52It's quite incomplete in (at least) Austria. While some stations in the bigger cities and in Vienna are included, I could not find any stations in lower austria. They are all listed in OpenStreetMap, and the inofficial ÖBB API (kinda documented here: https://github.com/internetztube/oebb-api ) could be used to get the correct names. :)
Indeed. For now Capitaine Train the only carriers we are connected to that stop in Austrian stations are Deutsche Bahn and Trenitalia. Only those stations are in the database. Once we connect to ÖBB and Westbahn, we will need a more important cover. Until then, we are open for pull requests ;)
Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata
#53In this context absolutely worth mentioning is the Public Transport Enabler ( https://github.com/schildbach/public-transport-enabler ). This is what we used to create this prototype: https://medium.com/@highsource/reliable-train-connections-ap... Disclaimer: I'm working for the Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) and try do some persuasion work towards Open Data here internally.
May I ask why the sessions expire so quickly on the DB website? That can be quite annoying—to say the least, for example when one wants to go back in the browser history or check on the status of a certain connection in case of strikes or severe weather.
Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata
#54In this context absolutely worth mentioning is the Public Transport Enabler ( https://github.com/schildbach/public-transport-enabler ). This is what we used to create this prototype: https://medium.com/@highsource/reliable-train-connections-ap... Disclaimer: I'm working for the Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) and try do some persuasion work towards Open Data here internally.
Could you explain why a railway operator might not want their data to be opened? After all, better availability of data might convince more people to use trains.
* What if the data will be used to convince people to use less trains? Busses and car sharing are now a huge competition. What if someone would take the data and represent it in a way very unfavourable for the long-distance trains? There are multiple ways to "tweak" the statistics without actually lying. * DB is not a single entity but rather a complex network of smaller companies and departments within them. At the moment there's no Open Data directive from the top so they basically have to decide on their own. This has at least a few problems for department heads: * responsibility - you can easily get your head off for a wrong data sharing decision; * losing data as the asset - departments often use data they have as a leverage when negotiating with other departments and companies, it's a valuable assed; * data ownage question - you normally don't have "pure" data, you have data coming from somewhere else which you enhance/process, so before sharing that you have to clear if you actually have the rights to. Having a few dozen "historically grown" data sources, this may be very difficult; * have to pay to prepare the data for sharing. Like, convert gigabyte-sized Acces "databases" into something more usable, specifying interfaces and so on. This is a huge effort, and who pays for that? * Next, there are a few political problems like "non-discrimination" EU directives. Every public stunt for DB Netz, for instance, may lead to a "discrimination" suite from some operator. So there's a risk of legal problems. * DB gets a few billions a year from the state to maintain and improve the infrastructure (look up LuFV). What if some clever reporter will use the data and prove that DB could have invested and maintained better? And you're getting a few millions fine from the state/EBA?
The list goes on. For decision makers the risks and dangers are obvious but the benefits are not, or at least not yet. So I'm very glad about the rising "hackathon" movement here as it is a good way to show that there may be real and direct benefits. This may really help to persuade people.
Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata
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May I ask why the sessions expire so quickly on the DB website? That can be quite annoying—to say the least, for example when one wants to go back in the browser history or check on the status of a certain connection in case of strikes or severe weather.
I'm not on that very project, but my guess would be that sessions are not completely stateles on the server side so they have to have session timeouts to drop obsolete sessions. I'll ask when I meet someone from that project.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you feel like exchanging information on this veeeeery specialized topic, check the open-transport mailing list run by OKFN: https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-transport/
I am on that list since a while :) We met at the Okfn-conf in Geneva. I am waiting until we translate the blogpost and our page in English before talking about that on the list. Pieter Colpaert alreday complained about uri/linked data ;)
Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you explain why a railway operator might not want their data to be opened? After all, better availability of data might convince more people to use trains.
This is a difficult matter. I'm actually on the Open Data side (not the "dark force"), but let me play the devil's advocate here. * What if the data will be used to convince people to use less trains? Busses and car sharing are now a huge competition. What if someone would take the data and represent it in a way very unfavourable for the long-distance trains? There are multiple ways to "tweak" the statistics without…
Increasingly that data can be obtained using collections of interacting phones in a community-driven way using travelling data from Bahn users, a la Open Street Map. The spectre of this happening might nudge transport companies towards embracing a more open approach.