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Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by AlbertoGP »

orless wrote: post #21
amelius wrote: post #15

Nice project idea: collect gps data from cell-phone users that are on a train, and based on this data (lots of users moving at the same speed across known tracks), get an overview of where trains are located.

Here's our "train radar": http://www.apps-bahn.de/bin/livemap/query-livemap.exe/dn?L=v... Disclaimer: this is NOT realtime GNSS data. New project coming in that direction soon.

That's neat. The train from Trier to Homburg just passed by so I checked its accuracy, and it was showing it one kilometre ahead of the actual train position, then the indicator moved backwards to match the actual location. I guess this is because of the interpolation you do as it's not real time data yet. I'm a great fan of your (DB's) work and use your apps/website daily. Keep up the good work!

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by orless »

AlbertoGP wrote: post #41
orless wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's our "train radar": http://www.apps-bahn.de/bin/livemap/query-livemap.exe/dn?L=v... Disclaimer: this is NOT realtime GNSS data. New project coming in that direction soon.

That's neat. The train from Trier to Homburg just passed by so I checked its accuracy, and it was showing it one kilometre ahead of the actual train position, then the indicator moved backwards to match the actual location. I guess this is because of the interpolation you do as it's not real time data yet. I'm a great fan of your (DB's) work and use your apps/website daily. Keep up the good work!

Thank you. :)

Yes, they do a lot of interpolation there, see the description: http://www.bahn.de/hilfe/view/pk/de/zugradar.shtml

There are a few of ongoing projects which will display the precise real data delivered by trains in near-real-time. But I'm not quite sure, which will be public.

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by toomuchtodo »

matrixagent wrote: post #39
orless wrote: post #4

In this context absolutely worth mentioning is the Public Transport Enabler ( https://github.com/schildbach/public-transport-enabler ). This is what we used to create this prototype: https://medium.com/@highsource/reliable-train-connections-ap... Disclaimer: I'm working for the Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) and try do some persuasion work towards Open Data here internally.

I'd love to get GPS tracks for the german railway system, been looking for something like that forever. Good luck with and thanks for your efforts!

Its not in OpenStreetMap already!?!

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by christop »

tristramg wrote: post #33
christop wrote: post #28

This is really nice, though the documentation is a bit lacking in parts (there's already a pull request to make things a bit nicer :) For example, I can see a station is missing, but is there any way to find its UIC code (or other identifiers) so I can add an entry? It's not clear what `is_suggestable` actually means, so I wouldn't know what to input. Also, while there are info:* columns for miscellaneous info, there…

Thank you. Indeed the data is incomplete yet. Bear in mind that the data comes from a specific use on https://www.capitainetrain.com That is why many countries are poorly covered (yet! we plan to eventually cover whole Europe). There is no magic to find the UIC code, sorry… Sometimes it is in OpenStreetMap, sometimes we get it from a rail operator… But it is not a required value, so you can add it with out the statio…

> Info adds any information extra information to help to find which station it is [translations, disambiguation]

These are two separate use cases, which should have their own structured fields. The current uses of info:* seem to be very free-form at the moment.

If I want to travel to Cologne Trade Fair, I should be able to start typing "colo" and find it, without knowing that it's called "Köln Messe" in German. Whereas the info:* fields should separately have useful info, e.g. "Trains transfer from Cologne Main Station every few minutes."

Much like on OpenStreetMap, doing a name search should match against all name:* fields. Info fields should be for info.

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by biafra »

orless wrote: post #4

In this context absolutely worth mentioning is the Public Transport Enabler ( https://github.com/schildbach/public-transport-enabler ). This is what we used to create this prototype: https://medium.com/@highsource/reliable-train-connections-ap... Disclaimer: I'm working for the Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) and try do some persuasion work towards Open Data here internally.

transport-enabler is also used by the Android app Öffi or Oeffi :-)

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by aselzer »

It's quite incomplete in (at least) Austria.

While some stations in the bigger cities and in Vienna are included, I could not find any stations in lower austria.

They are all listed in OpenStreetMap, and the inofficial ÖBB API (kinda documented here: https://github.com/internetztube/oebb-api) could be used to get the correct names. :)

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by tristramg »

_stk wrote: post #29
tristramg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to my world ;)

If you feel like exchanging information on this veeeeery specialized topic, check the open-transport mailing list run by OKFN: https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-transport/

I am on that list since a while :) We met at the Okfn-conf in Geneva.

I am waiting until we translate the blogpost and our page in English before talking about that on the list. Pieter Colpaert alreday complained about uri/linked data ;)

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by tristramg »

aselzer wrote: post #46

It's quite incomplete in (at least) Austria. While some stations in the bigger cities and in Vienna are included, I could not find any stations in lower austria. They are all listed in OpenStreetMap, and the inofficial ÖBB API (kinda documented here: https://github.com/internetztube/oebb-api ) could be used to get the correct names. :)

Indeed.

For now Capitaine Train the only carriers we are connected to that stop in Austrian stations are Deutsche Bahn and Trenitalia. Only those stations are in the database. Once we connect to ÖBB and Westbahn, we will need a more important cover.

Until then, we are open for pull requests ;)

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by rndn »

orless wrote: post #4

In this context absolutely worth mentioning is the Public Transport Enabler ( https://github.com/schildbach/public-transport-enabler ). This is what we used to create this prototype: https://medium.com/@highsource/reliable-train-connections-ap... Disclaimer: I'm working for the Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) and try do some persuasion work towards Open Data here internally.

May I ask why the sessions expire so quickly on the DB website? That can be quite annoying—to say the least, for example when one wants to go back in the browser history or check on the status of a certain connection in case of strikes or severe weather.

Re: List of European train stations and associated metadata

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Post by ArturSoler »

aselzer wrote: post #46

It's quite incomplete in (at least) Austria. While some stations in the bigger cities and in Vienna are included, I could not find any stations in lower austria. They are all listed in OpenStreetMap, and the inofficial ÖBB API (kinda documented here: https://github.com/internetztube/oebb-api ) could be used to get the correct names. :)

Around Barcelona there are also many missing stations.
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