Dart 1.9 • Hacker News Board

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by sacado2 » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 2:31 PM UTC

aikah wrote: post #40

barosl wrote: post #38

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Rob Pike, one of the creators of Go, said so: > Although we expected C++ programmers to see Go as an alternative, instead most Go programmers come from languages like Python and Ruby. Very few come from C++.[1] I thought this was obvious, considering their initial approach to promote Go: "Go is a systems language". But now they abandoned the phrasing. [1] http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponentia..…

Ok, well they were wrong. How can something be a "system language" when it's garbage collected ? and if people learned anything from D you don't say "X is a replacement from C++" or your language will get bad rap.

By "system", I don't think they meant "kernel". I think they meant "non-user-facing program". Think server/batch programs, which are way too often programmed in C/C++ although they don't need to.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by notsony » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:13 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #47

keypusher wrote: post #32

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Are they really committed to it though? The same way they were committed to Google Code? Google Glass? Google Video? Google Reader? Google+? All Google projects that they were "committed" to at one time. Now dead or basically abandoned.

Those are (closed-source) products though - Go and Dart are languages, and both are open source to boot - so if Google drops support, the open source community - and definitely the larger users that depend on it - can take over without a hitch. Google Code is being dropped because nobody uses it anymore. Google Glass is on hold because nobody wants to use it and it's not ready yet. Google Video was dropped because th…

I think most if not all of the core team for Go are employed by Google, so if Google dropped Go it would have a huge impact. The community could pick it up but let's be honest, without the original backing by Google, the language would never have gained traction and would be just one of many interesting languages.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by notsony » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:14 PM UTC

andrewchambers wrote: post #39

coldtea wrote: post #33

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That, and a layer for Google Downloads, was the only real examples, and we've been given them 3+ years ago. Not much since then, except some small stuff (a Google doodle made in Go, etc) and some mentions of teams using it.

The details of the code is confidential, but there are more than a million lines of go code.

I'll take your word for it but it would be nice to have some of the other Google engineering teams singing the praises of Go, writing blog posts, etc.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by spankalee » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 7:45 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #49

bovermyer wrote: post #36

As someone who gave a tech talk on Dart and how awesome it is, I wish I could back it as a tool of choice for web projects. However, I even abandoned PHP for its fractured community in the past couple months. I don't see how I can back Dart when its creator is so publicly disinterested. I apologize if that seems harsh, but it's just how I feel.

As someone interested in DART for web projects, I wish I could try it out. But it's tied to the Chrome ecosystem (it installs a local copy) and Chrome is not one of our corporate standards.

I don't understand this complaint. Dart is not tied to Chrome at all. The local copy of Chromium is just an optional development tool included with the SDK download. You don't have to use it.

You can use Dart with any modern browser. Use it with IE if that's your standard.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by xbmcuser » Sat, Mar 28, 2015, 4:24 AM UTC

notsony wrote: post #52

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #47

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Those are (closed-source) products though - Go and Dart are languages, and both are open source to boot - so if Google drops support, the open source community - and definitely the larger users that depend on it - can take over without a hitch. Google Code is being dropped because nobody uses it anymore. Google Glass is on hold because nobody wants to use it and it's not ready yet. Google Video was dropped because th…

I think most if not all of the core team for Go are employed by Google, so if Google dropped Go it would have a huge impact. The community could pick it up but let's be honest, without the original backing by Google, the language would never have gained traction and would be just one of many interesting languages.

   All those projects it dropped were consumer facing. These are programing languages being used inside google to increase productivity making a comparison between the two is a straw mans argument.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by zolotov » Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 4:37 PM UTC

notsony wrote: post #25

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #18

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They're using it: https://talks.golang.org/2013/oscon-dl.slide#1 Also, does Go really need a full IDE? I'm pretty happy using Sublime Text. Perhaps the JavaScript types are just more demanding about their IDEs?

I've seen Brad talk about this. It's the same example that has been trotted out over the years. Not that impressed. If some of the Gmail or Adwords system has been ported or re-written to Go that would be impressive. An IDE is important for many developers. Go would certainly benefit from being able to develop and debug in one place and have all the project management stuff handled. Why rely on a third party like Sub…

As for IntelliJ, there is a plugin for Go (https://github.com/go-lang-plugin-org/go-lang-idea-plugin), it's in active development and pre-release builds are published regularly. Any feedback and contributions are welcome.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by technofiend » Thu, Apr 09, 2015, 4:48 PM UTC

spankalee wrote: post #54

technofiend wrote: post #49

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As someone interested in DART for web projects, I wish I could try it out. But it's tied to the Chrome ecosystem (it installs a local copy) and Chrome is not one of our corporate standards.

I don't understand this complaint. Dart is not tied to Chrome at all. The local copy of Chromium is just an optional development tool included with the SDK download. You don't have to use it. You can use Dart with any modern browser. Use it with IE if that's your standard.

It may be a circular dependency problem, but when I start DART I get an error from my local workstation nanny that Chrome startup is blocked and then DART exits. So if there's a way to set DART to another tool than Chrome I can't seem to get there.

I haven't tried it with DART 1.9 so maybe that problem is no longer there.