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Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by sigzero »

notsony wrote: post #25
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're using it: https://talks.golang.org/2013/oscon-dl.slide#1 Also, does Go really need a full IDE? I'm pretty happy using Sublime Text. Perhaps the JavaScript types are just more demanding about their IDEs?

I've seen Brad talk about this. It's the same example that has been trotted out over the years. Not that impressed. If some of the Gmail or Adwords system has been ported or re-written to Go that would be impressive. An IDE is important for many developers. Go would certainly benefit from being able to develop and debug in one place and have all the project management stuff handled. Why rely on a third party like Sub…

There is a feature request open to add Go support to IntelliJ. Go vote for it.

Re: Dart 1.9

#32

Post by keypusher »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #10
notsony wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately yesterday's announcement about stopping development of Chrome Dart VM has put a dampener on things for me. I'm not particularly interested when there are other projects like TypeScript which also transpile to Javascript. It's also making me question the long-term viability of Golang, given Google's history of shutting down projects abruptly. Are any important teams inside Google using Golang for heavy-l…

All is pretty fine with Golang, especially inside Google. Tweet to illustrate: https://twitter.com/rob_pike/status/575853496592826369 And I think all will be fine with Dart too. Today's release is very interesting for server-side development. In both cases, on the server and on the client side, people will use Dart when they prefer Dart to JS. And difference not only in syntax or amount of sugar, but in "how the whol…

Are they really committed to it though? The same way they were committed to Google Code? Google Glass? Google Video? Google Reader? Google+? All Google projects that they were "committed" to at one time. Now dead or basically abandoned.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by coldtea »

aviziva wrote: post #20
notsony wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What am I looking for in that link? I may be mistaken but doesn't google3 refer to third party libraries, and not code written internally for Google? All I want to know is if a major team at Google is using Golang for any critical services. I don't care for conferences, but I do care about tools. Google put resources into developing a full IDE for Dart, yet nothing for Go...

YouTube Vitess provides servers and tools which facilitate scaling of MySQL databases for large scale web services. https://github.com/youtube/vitess

That, and a layer for Google Downloads, was the only real examples, and we've been given them 3+ years ago.

Not much since then, except some small stuff (a Google doodle made in Go, etc) and some mentions of teams using it.

Re: Dart 1.9

#34

Post by aikah »

notsony wrote: post #7
tosh wrote: post #2

This is imho the most exciting release since 1.0 :) In a nutshell: * async/await * generators * enums * Dart Analysis Server (accessible through IntelliJ/WebStorm & Sublime) * New RegEx engine, 150x speed up in Dart VM * …

Unfortunately yesterday's announcement about stopping development of Chrome Dart VM has put a dampener on things for me. I'm not particularly interested when there are other projects like TypeScript which also transpile to Javascript. It's also making me question the long-term viability of Golang, given Google's history of shutting down projects abruptly. Are any important teams inside Google using Golang for heavy-l…

> One of the goals behing Golang was go have C++ programmers move to the language

where did you hear that ? C++ programmers didn't move to D why the hell would they want to move to Go , a garbage collected language ?

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by aikah »

notsony wrote: post #25
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're using it: https://talks.golang.org/2013/oscon-dl.slide#1 Also, does Go really need a full IDE? I'm pretty happy using Sublime Text. Perhaps the JavaScript types are just more demanding about their IDEs?

I've seen Brad talk about this. It's the same example that has been trotted out over the years. Not that impressed. If some of the Gmail or Adwords system has been ported or re-written to Go that would be impressive. An IDE is important for many developers. Go would certainly benefit from being able to develop and debug in one place and have all the project management stuff handled. Why rely on a third party like Sub…

LiteIDE is a complete Go IDE. But I agree Google should invest in a proper Go IDE.

Re: Dart 1.9

#36

Post by bovermyer »

As someone who gave a tech talk on Dart and how awesome it is, I wish I could back it as a tool of choice for web projects.

However, I even abandoned PHP for its fractured community in the past couple months. I don't see how I can back Dart when its creator is so publicly disinterested.

I apologize if that seems harsh, but it's just how I feel.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by robbrown451 »

bovermyer wrote: post #36

As someone who gave a tech talk on Dart and how awesome it is, I wish I could back it as a tool of choice for web projects. However, I even abandoned PHP for its fractured community in the past couple months. I don't see how I can back Dart when its creator is so publicly disinterested. I apologize if that seems harsh, but it's just how I feel.

How is he publicly disinterested? Link?

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by barosl »

aikah wrote: post #34
notsony wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately yesterday's announcement about stopping development of Chrome Dart VM has put a dampener on things for me. I'm not particularly interested when there are other projects like TypeScript which also transpile to Javascript. It's also making me question the long-term viability of Golang, given Google's history of shutting down projects abruptly. Are any important teams inside Google using Golang for heavy-l…

> One of the goals behing Golang was go have C++ programmers move to the language where did you hear that ? C++ programmers didn't move to D why the hell would they want to move to Go , a garbage collected language ?

Rob Pike, one of the creators of Go, said so:

> Although we expected C++ programmers to see Go as an alternative, instead most Go programmers come from languages like Python and Ruby. Very few come from C++.[1]

I thought this was obvious, considering their initial approach to promote Go: "Go is a systems language". But now they abandoned the phrasing.

[1] http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponentia...

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by andrewchambers »

coldtea wrote: post #33
aviziva wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube Vitess provides servers and tools which facilitate scaling of MySQL databases for large scale web services. https://github.com/youtube/vitess

That, and a layer for Google Downloads, was the only real examples, and we've been given them 3+ years ago. Not much since then, except some small stuff (a Google doodle made in Go, etc) and some mentions of teams using it.

The details of the code is confidential, but there are more than a million lines of go code.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by aikah »

barosl wrote: post #38
aikah wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One of the goals behing Golang was go have C++ programmers move to the language where did you hear that ? C++ programmers didn't move to D why the hell would they want to move to Go , a garbage collected language ?

Rob Pike, one of the creators of Go, said so: > Although we expected C++ programmers to see Go as an alternative, instead most Go programmers come from languages like Python and Ruby. Very few come from C++.[1] I thought this was obvious, considering their initial approach to promote Go: "Go is a systems language". But now they abandoned the phrasing. [1] http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponentia..…

Ok, well they were wrong. How can something be a "system language" when it's garbage collected ? and if people learned anything from D you don't say "X is a replacement from C++" or your language will get bad rap.
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