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Experiment: No Comment Scores

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Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

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post #21

But don't votes also give feedback to the commentor? I have used this to learn what works within this community and what doesn't. Now, I only know by approximation to my total karma, or if i am bad, that I turn gray.

Just as an example, my karma just jumped a bunch of points. Was it because of the above post, or was it due to europe waking up to some posts made a few hours ago?

Perhaps my sense of dislocation will pass in a while.

Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

#52
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fixed. I didn't see the comment you mention, but that is exactly the sort of thing I meant about voting starting to have a mob feel.

It was this one: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=840748 Although I don't have any data, I think that if the same comment was posted today, it would end up with more points. If I see a comment with 80 upvotes, I usually let it stay there rather than bumping it to 81. One other comment; I find it hard to navigate my "threads" page now. I used to focus on highly-voted comments to improve and reply to; now that I don…

I was thinking something similar when I saw this change. I know I am affected by by the comments score when I vote, but I think it's more of a moderating effect. I might vote down a smart ass one line remark if it has lots of points, or vote up something that is so-so if it's been voted down.

Interesting to experiment.

Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

#54
I notice that nobody here is playing devil's advocate, so allow me. What was wrong with the site beforehand? Sure the comments have a mob feel to them sometimes, but that's just something a social anything app has to deal with.

Over all, I like the comments on HN much more than say reddit or digg by far. Plus, I've never seen a community that responds so well to criticism as this one does.

Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

#56

Any chance we can see scores when we're looking at our own comments section? Often when I notice a bump in my karma I look at my comment threads to see what was so popular.

Ok, now there should be scores next to your own comments. Better?

Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

#57
post #50
post #40

Wow, this interferes with key elements of my system for voting/commenting on HN. Here are some things that don't work now: * If a comment is sitting at 1 or 0, I'll try to avoid downvoting it unless I really think the comment subtracts value from the site. * If a child is attracting more votes than the parent, and I think this is because the child commenter didn't comprehend what the parent was saying, I vote to leve…

Voting patterns showed a lot of users voted to get a comment to what they felt was an appropriate score: they wouldn't up- or downvote something unless they felt its current score was too low or high respectively. But if comment scores aren't displayed, you won't need to anymore.

You don't think that this is a good thing?

Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

#58

Any chance we can see scores when we're looking at our own comments section? Often when I notice a bump in my karma I look at my comment threads to see what was so popular.

If you click on "threads" to see your comments it still shows your scores per comment.

Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

#59

Any chance we can see scores when we're looking at our own comments section? Often when I notice a bump in my karma I look at my comment threads to see what was so popular.

If you click on "threads" to see your comments it still shows your scores per comment.

I just added that.

Re: Experiment: No Comment Scores

#60
post #51
post #21

But don't votes also give feedback to the commentor? I have used this to learn what works within this community and what doesn't. Now, I only know by approximation to my total karma, or if i am bad, that I turn gray.

Just as an example, my karma just jumped a bunch of points. Was it because of the above post, or was it due to europe waking up to some posts made a few hours ago? Perhaps my sense of dislocation will pass in a while.

I feel similarly, actually. It's okay if others' scores don't show up for me, but I don't think scores will serve as effective (dis)incentives for behavior if they're too abstracted from the immediate cause, as is the case with having to try to guess which of my last thirty comments resulted in the upticks in my overall karma score. In fact, if anything, I think linking it to overall karma score may tend to increase obsession with karma, because now I have to watch my overall karma like a hawk and spend time thinking about the likely source of change to determine whether I've stepped on my dick somewhere.

I say bring back the ability to see one's own karma, perhaps with a preferences option to turn it off, regardless of what happens with the visibility of others' comment scores.

In fact, if anything about one's own karma would be hidden, I think the overall score would be a better choice to hide than the scores of (one's own) individual comments.

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