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From Vim to Emacs

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Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by naner »

By default, most themes look like shit on terminal Emacs (emacs -nw if you don't want the window to open).

Since he appears to be on Linux, another way to solve this issue is to use a terminal that supports 256 colors. urxvt and Xterm both have 256 color variants.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by naner »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

I use vim for nearly everything, but will jump into an IDE when in a complex environment that lends itself to using an IDE (Android, C#, etc).

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by girvo »

throw_away wrote: post #24
brandonmenc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

I only started using intellij because it was the first IDE I'd ever used that had a decent vim keybindings plugin.

One of the reasons I adore Komodo IDE (apart from it's excellent Python and Javascript APIs, and the fact that it's XUL based so building plugins is just like building them for Firefox) is the excellent Vim-mode it has built in. It's super extensive, one of the best emulations I've ever used.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by girvo »

throw_away wrote: post #24
brandonmenc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

I only started using intellij because it was the first IDE I'd ever used that had a decent vim keybindings plugin.

One of the reasons I adore Komodo IDE (apart from it's excellent Python and Javascript APIs, and the fact that it's XUL based so building plugins is just like building them for Firefox) is the excellent Vim-mode it has built in. It's super extensive, one of the best emulations I've ever used.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by hsitz »

dlau1 wrote: post #43

Bravo man, I tried to make the switch from vim to emacs evil and failed horribly. I would eventually throw emacs into a state where it wasn't in any of the evil modes, then bash my keyboard with C-X C-C. Is it possible to use emacs+evil without knowing emacs inside and out? Emacs with evil, without a doubt, runs so much smoother while editing large projects. The biggest point is that asynchronous operations are a lot…

>> I would eventually throw emacs into a state where >> it wasn't in any of the evil modes, then >> bash my keyboard with C-X C-C.

I think the snippet of code in linked article in section 'Escape . . . escapes things' fixes most of the situations where you'd get stuck in a non-Evil mode in Emacs. It's a must have for me, otherwise I too got frustrated with getting stuck in Emacs minibuffer/command line and not getting me back to Evil-mode in main buffer. I also turned off the bell in Emacs, which helped psychologically.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by Derbasti »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

There are environments which require a lot of tooling and automation in order to be productive. Integrated platforms like Android, iOS, or Visual Studio come to mind. These require so many configuration files to be kept up to date, build tools to be run in just the right order, and projects to be organized in special ways, that they are all but impossible to work with outside of the official IDE.

In those cases, I prefer IDEs with some kind of Vim emulation over Emacs.

Other environments are less restrictive, and projects often come down to just a bunch of files in a git repo. This is where text editors shine. I consider this a language feature of sorts.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by millstone »

bch wrote: post #50
saidajigumi wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any other former vi/emacs users (like, hardcore - I used to browse the web in emacs) who ditched it for an IDE? I've used both emacs and vim extensively, but have never "ditched" either for an IDE. However, what I have found is that in some dev environments I'll use the IDE as the primary editor. IDEs at their best have great tools for maintenance, navigation, and comprehension of existing codebases. But wh…

What are the first-class IDE-style features you want?

I am not the person to whom you replied, but the feature I use most often in Xcode is Go To Definition (with command-click). This integrates with clang, so it knows how to navigate templates, overloads, etc. It also integrates with the build system, so it knows the correct header search paths, preprocessor macros, etc.

I imagine there are some plugins available for vi and emacs that try to provide these features, but I would guess they require some configuration and won't work as reliably.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by Derbasti »

hello_asdf wrote: post #4

As someone who has always used vim, what are the benefits of this system over a standard vim installation?

You get access to things like org mode and magit and deep REPL integration and an integrated package manager. You get the ability to configure absolutely everything in elisp. Many experienced Emacsers routinely write small snippets of elisp to automate some task. This goes well beyond adding a key bindings here and there, or the odd macro, and is really amazingly powerful.
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