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Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by nokiaman »

lgieron wrote: post #38
ollysb wrote: post #5

"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)

Yeah, in some places, over 120% of the population voted for joining Russia...

That was debunked, it was a media reporting error, a '7' used instead of '5'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014

In the evening of 16 March 2014, Mikhail Malyshev, the Crimean election Spokesman, reported that as of 20:00, 1,250,427 people or 81.36% voted in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and 274,136 or 89.50% voted in Sevastopol for a total of 1,524,563 or 82.71% of the electorate.[129] ITAR-TASS initially reported this as 1,724,563 voters in total,[130] but corrected it later.[131] The discrepancy led to some reports of a 123% turnout in Sevastopol.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by explorigin »

peaton wrote: post #3

Wow, I guess this is what would have happened online during World War II if it happened in modern times. Interesting historic landmark as far as information dissemination during confrontations/wars.

No, it's not at all what happened when the Nazi's advanced in WWII. If you watch the Vice News reports, it seems that the people are ambivalent to who rules over them, they just want the fighting to stop. In contrast, in WWII, the Nazis were not much liked by the occupied peoples.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by IgorPartola »

acomjean wrote: post #44
3rd3 wrote: post #27

Am I the only one who feels uneasy about stuff like this? I can't quite figure out why.

Your not the only one. Its a strange feeling that Russia can do whatever it wants and there are no consequences. They seem a little out of control. They annexed Crimea. Nobody did anything. They shot down a civilian airliner (or supplied the missiles/training). No consequences. Send in caravans of "Humanitarian Aid" that Ukraine didn't ask for. Crickets.. Then they just get on their media and deny everything. Its har…

Think about it this way: the world stability currently depends on Russia and the US having an understanding that if anyone starts nuclear warfare, then Russia and the US will nuke the crap out of them. This is why Isreal, Pakistan, India, etc. have not yet nuked anyone. The direct consequence of this is that the US and Russia can get away with quite a bit: they have the largest nuke stockpiles and the most ability to deliver them.

Now, turn this around:

"Its a strange feeling that the US can do whatever it wants and there are no consequences. They seem a little out of control.

"They invaded Iraq. Nobody did anything. They routinely use drones. No consequences. They set up military bases in Afghanistan. Crickets..

"Then they just get on their media and deny everything.

"Its hard to watch it all fall apart."

This is how the rest of the world see the US. Note, that I am not using this as an excuse for anything the US or Russia is doing. Just pointing out that to people who do not live in Russia or the US, both countries seem "out of control".

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by spindritf »

IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

Many people are so dismayed with the US foreign policy and actions in the past years that they will (or at least seem to) support anything that isn't US.

It's also true that for all their faults Russians were right about Syria for example. Or maybe they just lucked into being right by doing the opposite of what the USG wanted.

Still others just don't want to be involved at all and are bothered by interventionist rhetoric. Or worried that involvement will only incite the situation. The latter seems to be a popular view in the EU.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by alexro »

acomjean wrote: post #44
3rd3 wrote: post #27

Am I the only one who feels uneasy about stuff like this? I can't quite figure out why.

Your not the only one. Its a strange feeling that Russia can do whatever it wants and there are no consequences. They seem a little out of control. They annexed Crimea. Nobody did anything. They shot down a civilian airliner (or supplied the missiles/training). No consequences. Send in caravans of "Humanitarian Aid" that Ukraine didn't ask for. Crickets.. Then they just get on their media and deny everything. Its har…

It works the same for US : can do whatever it wants and there are no consequences

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by colinbartlett »

davidw wrote: post #20

As evidenced by the flame wars breaking out, this is 'current events' and thus off-topic for this site: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html That it's "using tech to cover them" is a fig-leaf, at best.

The post demonstrates a clever use of web technology to present current information. Comments will be what they will, but regardless, I am pleased to have been shown this little web app on HN.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by korzun »

IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

> Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong

So you are just listening to the propaganda from the other side. And you think you are right?

> What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine

This is not about this. Things are not black and white. The situation there is extremely complex.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by gpvos »

akumen wrote: post #40

A quick scan on Russian sources shows no confirmation of a large scale invasion taking place. EU rhetoric also quickly changed since this morning and suddenly nobody is using the word "invasion" anymore. Ukraine crying "wolf", again until confirmed.

Russian media are actually starting to report on this. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28965597

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by bpodgursky »

JacobEdelman wrote: post #49
IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

I am disappointed by the fact that while their are several comments supporting Russia almost all of them have been down voted a ton. You shouldn't down vote people just because you disagree with them.

If it's an issue which is remotely controversial and they are making useful contributions, I agree. If they are astroturfing for a country which is actively invading another sovereign nation, and lying through their teeth about it... I'm sorry, but you're not contributing to the discussion but instead are just spreading misinformation and your comment is not useful.

Not all opinions are equally valid.

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