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This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by claar »

adwf wrote: post #48
tolmasky wrote: post #21

> "And having been transparent with his coreligionists about his loss of faith and with his ex-wife about his lost willingness to be monogamous, he gradually came to this life philosophy: Society would be better if no one had any secrets." Spoken like someone blessed to have been born a white heterosexual male in 21st century America. I wonder if he'd feel the same way if he was a homosexual in an incredibly homophob…

I'm reminded of an example of this - read the Lethal Car Decorating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_US_Special If you can't get hold of the episode, they essentially paint pro-homosexuality slogans on the side of their vehicles and drive through an Alabama town. It's scary to think that even in this day and age there are people who will react in such a fashion. And if you think this is bad, driving through t…

> but I believe this was carefully-edited-to-give-the-impression-they-wanted in this case, as-usual.

FTFY

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by adwf »

claar wrote: post #51
adwf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reminded of an example of this - read the Lethal Car Decorating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_US_Special If you can't get hold of the episode, they essentially paint pro-homosexuality slogans on the side of their vehicles and drive through an Alabama town. It's scary to think that even in this day and age there are people who will react in such a fashion. And if you think this is bad, driving through t…

> but I believe this was carefully-edited-to-give-the-impression-they-wanted in this case, as-usual. FTFY

Perhaps, but it's undeniable that they were actually pelted with stones and chased when driving through the town. Editing can only do so much.

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

Zancarius wrote: post #30
mmalone wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh... I don't get it? Why is privacy required where there is no trust? I see how the two are related but I see it kind of differently... it's hard not to trust someone when you know they're not hiding anything. In a totally utopian sense I believe that privacy is bad. Practically it's probably impossible to implement society without privacy. I wouldn't share my email password because we're not living in a utopia and…

In a strange sense, in particular when reading the article, I'm reminded of a certain Orwellian utopia in which there was virtually no extant privacy. Maybe it "facilitates lying," although I think that's a rather extremist view, but if there's information I'm not willing to provide you, I may not necessarily be lying--I just don't feel that it's pertinent or necessary for you to know. Or in particularly pathological…

Or it could be that those that eliminate privacy are those malevolent actors ... Just saying ...

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by thieving_magpie »

adwf wrote: post #48
tolmasky wrote: post #21

> "And having been transparent with his coreligionists about his loss of faith and with his ex-wife about his lost willingness to be monogamous, he gradually came to this life philosophy: Society would be better if no one had any secrets." Spoken like someone blessed to have been born a white heterosexual male in 21st century America. I wonder if he'd feel the same way if he was a homosexual in an incredibly homophob…

I'm reminded of an example of this - read the Lethal Car Decorating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_US_Special If you can't get hold of the episode, they essentially paint pro-homosexuality slogans on the side of their vehicles and drive through an Alabama town. It's scary to think that even in this day and age there are people who will react in such a fashion. And if you think this is bad, driving through t…

That episode, entirely, is fake. The rednecks throwing things, all of it.

I'm not trying to be rude or spoil your Weltanschauung or something.

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

CocaKoala wrote: post #2

Reading this reminded me of the adage, "Character is who you are when nobody is watching". Can you imagine being this guy's child and reading him talk about how "Yeah, maybe if people were watching me then I would have tried harder to spend time with my kids last summer". It's not that he wants to spend time with them, he's just worried about how it looks to other people. The truth hurts, but that doesn't mean that t…

Well it seems like he has done his children a great service. By logging into his email, his children's classmates can discover than rather than taking care of them, he was worried with sleeping around with other people's wives and those kids, that are generally cruel enough, and through that plus any pictures (because there is no privacy) in their faces as well. I mean, it really sounds like a win-win. :)

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by kazinator »

kazinator wrote: post #43

The premise of the article is a fallacy of equivocation over the word "nothing". "I have nothing to hide" is used as an argument meaning "I have nothing to hide for which I might be wanted by the authorities"; it does not literally mean "nothing at all". "I have nothing to hide" is an argument used against the advocacy of tools for anonymity and cryptography, and in particular tools that use strong cryptography and a…

The argument against "nothing to hide" is this:

1. So you agree with every single law there is, and every single prohibition against any activity or posession of anything?

2. Even if you don't violate any law or prohibition yourself, but your best friend or a family member is investigated for such a thing, you're willing to open up everything to help provide evidence to throw that friend under the proverbial bus, in the name of conformity to the state?

3. Are you okay with doing away with wiretap laws and search warrants?

4. Are you okay with any citizen being arrested and given "truth serum" drugs so they truthfully divulge everything they believe to be true on any topic? If they have nothing to hide, why should anyone object?

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

kijin wrote: post #37
Mz wrote: post #8

Excerpt: "In most societies, we [recognize] the right of people to keep secrets. But really, there’s only one purpose for keeping secrets: secrets exist to prevent other people from acting as they would if they had complete information," Yeah, that's because most people cannot be completely trusted with your welfare. Der. They don't usually have your best interest at heart, even in cases where their intent is not spe…

> They would just get better at appearing to be ethical, which really isn't the same thing. There's a long and hard-to-kill tradition of thought, both in the West and in other cultures, that says something along the lines of "If you try hard enough to look like you care about X for a long time, you'll end up actually caring about X." It's the idea behind every educational system that requires students to wear uniform…

Those are different things. Unless you think the anti-privacy technology will enter our thoughts or something, you may "try hard," meaning to deceive those around you, this is not the same thing as "if you want to be a charitable person, start giving to charities and you will become charitable" or whatever. The parent is just noting the obvious that you will not be fundamentally turning people into ethical people or whatever, they will simply try to find ways to exploit the system.

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by hkmurakami »

adwf wrote: post #48
tolmasky wrote: post #21

> "And having been transparent with his coreligionists about his loss of faith and with his ex-wife about his lost willingness to be monogamous, he gradually came to this life philosophy: Society would be better if no one had any secrets." Spoken like someone blessed to have been born a white heterosexual male in 21st century America. I wonder if he'd feel the same way if he was a homosexual in an incredibly homophob…

I'm reminded of an example of this - read the Lethal Car Decorating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_US_Special If you can't get hold of the episode, they essentially paint pro-homosexuality slogans on the side of their vehicles and drive through an Alabama town. It's scary to think that even in this day and age there are people who will react in such a fashion. And if you think this is bad, driving through t…

I still remember that episode, and as far as I can remember, it's the only time I've seen the crew "abort" one of their challenges like that (in part of the show, you see them frantically erasing the decoration with coca cola, etc. after being chased by locals).

edit: found the clip: http://youtu.be/pKcJ-0bAHB4?t=6m

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by adwf »

thieving_magpie wrote: post #54
adwf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reminded of an example of this - read the Lethal Car Decorating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_US_Special If you can't get hold of the episode, they essentially paint pro-homosexuality slogans on the side of their vehicles and drive through an Alabama town. It's scary to think that even in this day and age there are people who will react in such a fashion. And if you think this is bad, driving through t…

That episode, entirely, is fake. The rednecks throwing things, all of it. I'm not trying to be rude or spoil your Weltanschauung or something.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/extra-top-gear-in-alabama/

http://transmission.blogs.topgear.com/2009/10/05/richard-the...

They seem to be pretty serious when claiming that it wasn't fake. They've admitted in the past when their sketches are faked, with absolutely no qualms about it. It seems odd that they would specifically claim that this one was definitely not fake.

I don't doubt that they dramatised the footage to make it seem like it was a lot more scary than perhaps the actual events were. But that doesn't mean the events didn't happen.

Anyway, judging by the responses, I can see this is a bit of a touchy subject so I'm going to take a pass on this thread from now on. No judgement on right/wrong, just going to bed ;)

Re: This Man Has Nothing to Hide – Not Even His Email Password

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Post by mkal_tsr »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #47
miguelrochefort wrote: post #24

I totally agree with that guy, and I've been looking for likeminded people for months. Beside social stigma, the most important barrier to living a transparent life is our reliance on secrets for identification. That includes Social Security numbers, Credit Card numbers, bank account passwords/nips, all details about physical keys and locks, etc. You might say that public access to the above information is only a pro…

Really? I don't want to brow beat you but I really if you agree with this person, I can't help but think you need to wake up to reality. This is just utter nonsense. Privacy/secrecy as it relates to identification or ownership is just one facet of the world. You realize people are not actually robots or play-things in a Dystopian novel right? People have complex lives, desires, strategies for achieving their goals, f…

Most people here only see $ unfortunately.
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