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I know a lot of people coming from both sides of the fence and there is a huge difference of level. I challenge you to find just one university in France that gives you a formation equivalent to those of epitech et al.
Well, I come from a CS master's of the university of Nantes and I don't feel _at all_ like I have a lower level than if I went to one of those schools. It's clearly the other way around.
I didn't leave France, I moved to the US
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Re: I didn't leave France, I moved to the US
#52I dream of a system that allows me to swap my citizenship with a similarly qualified EU Citizen that wants to come to the US.
(The reason is that I'm tired of the political crap going on here, it would be refreshing to see different political crap :-). Plus I absolutely love Europe. Would like to live there till I'm sick of it)
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are mostly comparing EUROPE to the US , Europe also has big technology poles (Grenoble ,Berlin, Paris ...) , the problem is that big tech giants in europe work independently of each other or work with US firms!, the UE must create one single technology pole where all the firms will be implemented! Paris can't handle more than what it handles now !
Well first we need everyone to speak the same language. Esperanto, here we come !
Not trying to be an ass by saying that, but if you go to Europe claiming to be Canadian :-) and speaking English, you will not have a hard time pretty much anywhere, at least in Western EU.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I come from a CS master's of the university of Nantes and I don't feel _at all_ like I have a lower level than if I went to one of those schools. It's clearly the other way around.
I would hope so since Epitech/Epita is bac+3 whereas a CS master is bac+5. Although I doubt many universities would still reach those schools level even after a master.
Re: I didn't leave France, I moved to the US
#55I dream of a system that allows me to swap my citizenship with a similarly qualified EU Citizen that wants to come to the US.
Re: I didn't leave France, I moved to the US
#56Always interested in the factors being optimized when making these decisions. I would think that for people engaging in an inherently risky endeavor such as entrepreneurship, the most important goal would be to hedge against failure. France, and the EU in general, have some of the best social safety nets in the developed world. What exactly does moving to the USA accomplish in 2014? The EU has no shortage of educated…
The thing is, social safety nets aren't especially relevant to that kind of risk. Those of us with the luxury of education aren't going to end up starving on the streets if our startups fail, we'll just go get jobs. The people who really need social safety nets aren't in a position to start startups.
So the more tangible risk is how others in your profession will perceive failure. This is an area where America shines.
> lack of consistent healthcare, lack of social safety net and much lower quality of life (vicious judicial systems, abnormal incarceration rates, high crime rates, militarized police, draconian drug laws, etc.)
Those are all serious issues, but you're misunderstanding them if you think they apply to typical startup founders.
America is very unequal. Those problems persist precisely because the relatively wealthy can easily stay insulated from them. And any educated European coming here to start a technology company falls comfortably into that class. He or she would be living in one of the nice cities, surrounded by people with similar values and education, enjoying quality-of-life metrics that are significantly higher than the broader American averages.
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I'm in an intership in France , and that's true , I get 15K EURO , that's the maximum salary for interns in France!
I never heard of a maximum compensation for internships...
[1] I'm not sure it's a hard-coded limit in the labour law or if it is something more related to the fact that if the wage is "excessive" you could have problems with the tax authority.
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Well first we need everyone to speak the same language. Esperanto, here we come !
Everyone in EU already speaks English :-) Not trying to be an ass by saying that, but if you go to Europe claiming to be Canadian :-) and speaking English, you will not have a hard time pretty much anywhere, at least in Western EU.
And of course if I think about my country (Italy) I can think of plenty of people that are unable to say a word in English, and another huge amount of people that can't go over few words. But I can concede that things are probably getting better as new generations are more exposed to English and they're doing better, but there's still a long way to go...
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#59"Tax cuts for startups are real, and it means a developer in France will basically cost you half the price of a US one, and there is good chance he’ll be better :) " In the last paragraph the author stated that France had it's share of problems, but then it states that their developers are "better." Really? Who has had a huge respectable dominance in the IT world in the last few decades? How much have the French cont…
"Who has had a huge respectable dominance in the IT world in the last few decades?" Umm, Google does? This fact doesn't help you the slightest when you're competing with them hiring developers for your itsy bitsy startup. In France perhaps developers have less Googles, Facebooks and Dropboxes to choose from so you can indeed access better developers. Or maybe it isn't so. Still worth considering. Could not find the d…
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#60Is it actually true that "a developer in France will basically cost you half the price of a US one"? I have always been under the impression that labor was a lot more expensive in Europe (and particularly France) because of high taxes and a large amount of social/welfare contributions. This is not to say that there aren't good reasons for having these contributions or that workers in one place or the other are necess…