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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#51
It depends.

I dropped out of Uni after one year (this was about 10 years ago). The thing was, in the hobby/amateur game development circles I was well known. Had written a bunch of tutorials, a book (when they still used dead trees) and knew folks in various companies. This made getting job easier. Now, after 10 years of work history, no one gives a damn about my lack of degree. I've working in more industries than most, form junior to Technical Lead positions.

But if I was 18/19 today, no side projects, not very well known, it would be different. When I was more involved in recruiting, I never cared about the degree, but without one, and without a work history, what can you really show me that proves you can do the job?

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#52
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I have one semester of college, in which I took psychology and political science. I've worked as the lead network architect for a large ISP, as a developer and then lead developer of a network security tool, as a security researcher (I have a pretty decent cite record and a fun list of universities with courses that have taught papers I wrote), as a 2-time startup founder, the first of which was VC-funded, as a lead…

"start building things from papers."

Really liked what you wrote and found this particularly interesting. Can you elaborate on why you think this is important and how you generally go about it (finding papers, choosing what to code, etc)

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#53
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I have one semester of college, in which I took psychology and political science. I've worked as the lead network architect for a large ISP, as a developer and then lead developer of a network security tool, as a security researcher (I have a pretty decent cite record and a fun list of universities with courses that have taught papers I wrote), as a 2-time startup founder, the first of which was VC-funded, as a lead…

If I were asked for a GPA or an SAT score at any job interview, I would walk as well. It's completely irrelevant, and highly dependent on the school you went to (is a 4.0 at DeVry better or worse than a 3.0 from CMU?) It sounds like you're a little older than a person who would be debating going to college, though. I had a coworker that trained me at my current job who only had a few classes at a community college. B…

One thing I would add to that, before walking away talk to the hiring manager about it. HR is just following some set of guidelines, and in many cases a good manager can work with them to make the problem go away. Think of it as a test for your prospective manager as much as anything else.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#55
So here is some contrarian opinion:

You don't need to go to college, but if you have time and money, I'd say do it.

There is ample of evidence, that you don't need a degree to have a successful career, especially in the IT sector. Then again, what do you really need? I used to think like most comments here, where college (especially in the US) is a colllasal and expensive waste of time. And if you measure it in hard skills/knowledge learned, maybe it is.

Before I dropped out, I tried to get my BA/MA in four years by only taking CS classes. It was terrible, I didn't learn anything useful. Only after returning to college from our failed startup, I realized the great benefits from college: Exploring your interests, the social setting of college, running into people from all different backgrounds and opinions. It's a truly unique experience and IMO the competitive advantage of the American tertiary education.

I'm not saying people should do one or another or whether its worth it, but it does help to get in different perspectives from time to time.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#56

Here's my advice. First, some context. I have degrees in math and experience in computing. I am now part-owner of an established company, and occasionally we recruit. The following is my experience based on some successful hires, some unsuccessful hires, and many, many CVs and interviews. When I look as a CV I want to know what value you'll bring to my company. I want to know why you'll be worth the money I'll pay yo…

Interesting! I'm building a way for people to apply for tech jobs by showcasing their experience, and skills backed up with evidence (www.accredible.com - just posted a Show HN after seeing this thread. Edit: reached the front page!). It sounds like your hiring thought process matches this philosophy!

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#57
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Watch out for IT. IT for people without a degree is a trap. What do you mean? You just talked about being in IT without a degree.

Sounds to me like the difference between IT and IS. You're either "the IT guy" or you work in IS doing real things. Not just rebooting a managers PC and installing printer drivers.

I run an IT shop for small construction companies - and I'll cheerfully reboot PCs and install drivers.

Frankly, it's fun:

It's a good way to meet interesting people... and if I listen very carefully I'll find an unmet business need that I can help with a custom database or an app.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#60
I am living proof that it is. I stated teaching myself how to program in 2006. I did a lot of freelance work for a number of years. I was laid off in Spring 2011.

A programming position opened up at a local manufacturing company. I submitted my resume which spoke heavily about my freelance experience. I got a call for a in person interview. During the interview they surprised me with a hand-written programming test.

It turns out that I was the only person that actually passed the test out of 15 applicants.

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