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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#11
Here's my advice.

First, some context. I have degrees in math and experience in computing. I am now part-owner of an established company, and occasionally we recruit. The following is my experience based on some successful hires, some unsuccessful hires, and many, many CVs and interviews.

When I look as a CV I want to know what value you'll bring to my company. I want to know why you'll be worth the money I'll pay you, and how well you'll fit. Yes, there was a job description, but your role will change, develop, and in the end you may be doing something completely different from what we originally thought we needed.

So I want to see, quickly, what value you claim you'll bring to my company. That means you'll need to have thought about that, and tailored the CV to match not just the job description, but the homework you've done on what we do. In particular, that makes it hard to get a job via a recruitment firm.

After that, I want to see the evidence that your claims are true. Do you claim to write clear, usable, effective code? Show me some code. Do you claim to work well with others? Tell me of specific occasions that I can verify.

Sometimes you can't provide evidence, and I understand that. Make it clear that you understand that I will somehow need to verify your claims. Be sympathetic - put yourself in my place, and help me see you as a potentially valuable asset.

And all this is true even if you don't have a degree. State that you know things, and then provide evidence. I've employed people with and without degrees, and it's been interesting to see how different people have worked out.

tl;dr - No, you don't need a degree. Yes, you can get a job, but you need to provide evidence of value other than by quoting that you have a degree. Sometimes that's better.

Edited for typo and word-crafting.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#12
Absolutely! I would reach out directly to startup companies hiring that you're interested in working for, who are more apt to base your application on coding projects and a technical interview. Large, older tech companies with HR departments are probably a lot less likely to look at an application without a degree.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#13

I've been working as a web developer since I was 17. It wasn't hard for me, but I had an incredible good luck by then, getting my first freelance clients out of nowhere. I'm about to get a master in computer sciences, and I really think it is worth the time (no money in my case, I'm from Argentina). It teaches you the foundations of CS and that normally improves your way to think about technological problems and prob…

Another great thing about studying is that you get to know a lot of clever people interested in the same areas of technologies that you are. And also, depends on your personality and the school maybe, a lot of possible business contacts.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#14
I suspect ~50% of HN could confirm that but.. just one cautionary point, not having a degree could make it significantly harder to work overseas, if you were to want to do that. For example, if you were outside the US and wanted to go to the US on an H-1B, it's possible without a degree but somewhat harder.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

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I have one semester of college, in which I took psychology and political science. I've worked as the lead network architect for a large ISP, as a developer and then lead developer of a network security tool, as a security researcher (I have a pretty decent cite record and a fun list of universities with courses that have taught papers I wrote), as a 2-time startup founder, the first of which was VC-funded, as a lead…

>Watch out for IT. IT for people without a degree is a trap.

What do you mean? You just talked about being in IT without a degree.

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I have one semester of college, in which I took psychology and political science. I've worked as the lead network architect for a large ISP, as a developer and then lead developer of a network security tool, as a security researcher (I have a pretty decent cite record and a fun list of universities with courses that have taught papers I wrote), as a 2-time startup founder, the first of which was VC-funded, as a lead…

>Watch out for IT. IT for people without a degree is a trap. What do you mean? You just talked about being in IT without a degree.

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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

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I have one semester of college, in which I took psychology and political science. I've worked as the lead network architect for a large ISP, as a developer and then lead developer of a network security tool, as a security researcher (I have a pretty decent cite record and a fun list of universities with courses that have taught papers I wrote), as a 2-time startup founder, the first of which was VC-funded, as a lead…

>Watch out for IT. IT for people without a degree is a trap. What do you mean? You just talked about being in IT without a degree.

IT pays well out of the gate but offers virtually no path for advancement --- not in the sense of "are there better titles to be had" (sure, "Senior IT", "Manager, IT", "Director, IT") but rather in the sense of technical challenges and opportunities for learning and specialization. 5 years down the road, developers are doing significantly better on compensation and have essentially boundless opportunities (including, if one burns out, doing IT work); on the other hand, having 5 years of IT on your resume and no degree means it can be very hard to get a job outside of IT.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#18
I've been employed as a software engineer since age 19, and I'm almost 33 now. I've worked for companies like MetLife, Tommy Hilfiger, Yahoo!, and IMVU, and my lack of a degree has never been an issue.

It helps that I was always a hobbyist (I started playing with my dad's Commodore 64 when I was 6). For the most part, everything I learned I learned by building stuff. I dropped out of college when I was 19 because my financial aid fell through, and instead of continuing with my bachelor's degree, I decided to enroll in a 9 month program at a technical school. That allowed me to fill in some of the gaps that my own tinkering didn't really cover -- things like object-oriented programming.

After that, I got my first job programming online surveys in Perl, and I've been employed ever since. Getting your foot in the door is the most important thing. You only need to find one person who believes you can do the job, and if you're intellectually curious enough, you can easily learn by doing. My first job was with a small business that didn't have anyone doing any programming, so there was nobody to tell me I wasn't good enough during the hiring process, so I was able to fake my way into having a job that gave me the employment history to work my way into bigger companies and higher salaries.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#19
The Tech industry is one of the few industries where you can do very well without a degree. I know people off the top of my head making > $50k without a degree in the Midwest US. (so, say, $91K in San Fran using WolframAlpha's cost of living adjuster.)

Like most things there are some caveats.

It will be harder to get into the top tier tech companies, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, etc, hire people without degrees, but not nearly as much as other organizations on the other tiers. Similarly, there are certain high frequency low latency trading firms that won't look at your resume without some MIT connection.

Some places will hire you with no problem, but have rules that will eventually cap your salary. These are usually government offices, state-run universities, etc. (For example, I know of universities where no programmer without without a master's degree can get past tier XYZ)

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