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Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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Google is aggressively pursuing the edu market with Chromebooks, so what?

You can develop for Chromebooks, on Chromebooks, for free, and it's one-time $5 to distribute. That's what. The point is about access to the tools, the skills, and the ability to share; if the vendor controls any of those, FAIL.

Well, then we are lucky that we live in a free country where school administrators can buy whichever tools they think are best for the children.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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The App store is a big step back for developers as far as healthy rapid iteration practices go. Week-long byzantine review cycles, expensive closed-source tools segregated to one platform, a single source for all downloads, inability to beta your product etc. This all set us back considerably with regards to where we are now on the web. For now Apple can get away with this, their lead is massive and the customers are…

Why would the speed of App Store review affect rapid iteration? You distribute test versions during iterative development directly to testers. The App Store is for release versions.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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The App store is a big step back for developers as far as healthy rapid iteration practices go. Week-long byzantine review cycles, expensive closed-source tools segregated to one platform, a single source for all downloads, inability to beta your product etc. This all set us back considerably with regards to where we are now on the web. For now Apple can get away with this, their lead is massive and the customers are…

This. This right here. This is why I detest Apple as a professional developer. The "hacker kids" issue is almost orthogonal, but I can't stand the idea of someone telling me what I can run on a device I purchased.

nobody complained about this junk when it was nintendo and sega doing it, for a lot more. It's just that this time; 1) people have this illogical apple hatred and 2) people buy into google's spiel about being open.

The app store, is a tradeoff. It's some inconvenience for developers in exchange for a trusted, safe marketplace for applications for consumers.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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post #52

The App store is a big step back for developers as far as healthy rapid iteration practices go. Week-long byzantine review cycles, expensive closed-source tools segregated to one platform, a single source for all downloads, inability to beta your product etc. This all set us back considerably with regards to where we are now on the web. For now Apple can get away with this, their lead is massive and the customers are…

Why would the speed of App Store review affect rapid iteration? You distribute test versions during iterative development directly to testers. The App Store is for release versions.

Modern day web companies push changes into production dozens of times a day, if not more often (see the illustrious etsy example). We have continuous integration and delivery for that reason. Having to wait a week for something to make it into production or to fix a bug is no longer acceptable.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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post #53

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This. This right here. This is why I detest Apple as a professional developer. The "hacker kids" issue is almost orthogonal, but I can't stand the idea of someone telling me what I can run on a device I purchased.

nobody complained about this junk when it was nintendo and sega doing it, for a lot more. It's just that this time; 1) people have this illogical apple hatred and 2) people buy into google's spiel about being open. The app store, is a tradeoff. It's some inconvenience for developers in exchange for a trusted, safe marketplace for applications for consumers.

Using examples from late 80s boxed software is absurd, and you also don't know anything about whether developers at the time complained about the restrictions or not.

Development practices for the web era are nothing like those of 30 years ago, unless you like to do it wrong.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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This is idiotic! Apple is not THE obstacle, it's just another platform. People who love apple get accused of being fanboys. What is the opposite of that? Some one who drags in Apple into any an all argument, and figures out a way to blame them for anything and everything. Teenagers who can't afford to pay $99 have a clear option, Android. It's like arguing that Ferrari is preventing kinds from chasing their dreams of…

When you're talking about K-12 edtech education, in many cases the kids have the patforms their schools/districts endorse. And in many, if not most cases, that's iOS. plus, we're not talking about $99 to publish, we're talking about $99 just to run your own code on your own device. I don't know about you, but when I was a 10yr hacker, that would have been a deal breaker.

If you really care about $99/yr, why do you not just buy an Android phone?

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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post #53

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nobody complained about this junk when it was nintendo and sega doing it, for a lot more. It's just that this time; 1) people have this illogical apple hatred and 2) people buy into google's spiel about being open. The app store, is a tradeoff. It's some inconvenience for developers in exchange for a trusted, safe marketplace for applications for consumers.

Using examples from late 80s boxed software is absurd, and you also don't know anything about whether developers at the time complained about the restrictions or not. Development practices for the web era are nothing like those of 30 years ago, unless you like to do it wrong.

What are you talking about late 80s? it's still happening with consoles today. On XBox, for example, you need a dev kit. They have a lengthy sign up process, they don't allow students or universities to get one, etc. It costs $$$.

Yeah development practices have changed, but you also have a choice of platforms.

Any platform has tradeoffs and those tradeoffs have an impact on your development process. That's what a platform is. It's an environment, and that environment imposes restrictions. So there is a tradeoff between restrictions to benefits.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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post #52

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Why would the speed of App Store review affect rapid iteration? You distribute test versions during iterative development directly to testers. The App Store is for release versions.

Modern day web companies push changes into production dozens of times a day, if not more often (see the illustrious etsy example). We have continuous integration and delivery for that reason. Having to wait a week for something to make it into production or to fix a bug is no longer acceptable.

Apps are not web sites. Consumers expect a higher level of stability and quality from their apps than they do from web sites.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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post #52

The App store is a big step back for developers as far as healthy rapid iteration practices go. Week-long byzantine review cycles, expensive closed-source tools segregated to one platform, a single source for all downloads, inability to beta your product etc. This all set us back considerably with regards to where we are now on the web. For now Apple can get away with this, their lead is massive and the customers are…

Why would the speed of App Store review affect rapid iteration? You distribute test versions during iterative development directly to testers. The App Store is for release versions.

Apple's reviewer aren't able to do in depth testing. They just make sure the app doesn't crash on launch, and the app doesn't use some kind of payment that by passes the app store.

As simple as it is, this test takes at least one week. For critical bug fixes, it is simply unacceptable.

Re: Apple: The Obstacle to America's Future?

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The $99 is to publish apps - I've made a couple of little quick fix utils for work projects by building and deploying straight to the phone via USB, no subscription required.

Without jailbreaking?

Of course without jailbreaking
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