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TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

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Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

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post #2

...But as you can see, Senator, there is also no evidence of the guaranteed absence of terrorist plots either. They are obviously even better hidden than we feared. Increased resources will be required to bring them to light. Our department has drafted a new budget proposal that takes this changed situation into account.

Let's be honest -- if they really wanted more funding, it'd be much easier just to fake some threats to warrant more public support, Operation Northwoods style --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#52
post #27

If I were trying to champion a legitimate cause, I would steer way clear of acknowledging Infowars by name or calling them "journalists." You could just say that a third party discovered it or something, but you definitely don't want to imply that they're fighting the good fight alongside you.

I respect that they found and published the documents. I don't buy most of what they are selling, but in this instance, their journalism brought an important issue to light.

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#53
post #7

I know I'm throwing my karma down the toilet here but domestic-sourced airline terrorism has happened before. The TSA (edit: OK, whoever it was that scanned our bags and ran us through the metal detector, if it was not "the TSA") was unaware of 9/11 as well. Argue all you want that we should just tolerate the occasional 9/11-style (edit: or the random pipe bomb blowing out the side of the plane, cockpit doors can't p…

Have you ever been in line in a long TSA queue at a major airport? See anybody get scanned before getting in that line? With a coordinated attack across multiple airports, you could kill far more people just while they're standing in line to get their TSA gaterape procedure performed than you could by attacking while onboard an aircraft. The aircraft attack vector has already been played out. Lets keep sane regulatio…

Bingo. The fact that there isn't a viable threat is demonstrated (ok, not proven) by the fact that a large number of completely undefended obvious attack vectors pursuant to terrorist goals have not been abused over a very long time.

At some point the damage by TSA surpassed the expected damage from the alleged threat.

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what the answer is to 9/11-style events? Locking cockpit doors. And that's what they did after 9/11. Passengers now know what's at stake too. So, while bad things can happen, another 9/11 can't happen again (and as such, the TSA does nothing to prevent it anyway).

Also there is one actually proven method to deterring terrorist events like 9/11. Four planes were hi-jacked. Three of those did not know that the outcome was to crash the plane into a building. But one did, and (as far as we know) the people aboard prevented that. If the American people would simply have been informed that terrorists didn't want to steal planes, but instead fly them into target then 9/11 would have…

Exactly.

The solution to this threat was dispelling the notion "getting hijacked means a short vacation to Cuba" and replacing it with "getting hijacked means that I get to kick a terrorist's face in".

This solution was implemented and successfully tested on the morning of 9/11/2001.

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#55

Perhaps what the actually conclusion one should take from this memo is not that terrorists don't exist, clearly they do, but rather that those terrorists are now focusing on softer targets, because aviation is seen as too difficult. I realize this may be an unpopular opinion, because let's face it the TSA searches are demeaning and some might argue an invasion of privacy. But it seems like a non sequitur to say that…

Take about 60 seconds to think about how, if you were a terrorist tasked with blowing up an airplane, you would do it. Do you really think the TSA would stop you? And if they did, would you really get fewer virgins if you had to use your Plan B of blowing up the security checkpoint with maybe 100 people and a couple dozen federal employees, instead of your intended target?

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#56
post #7

I know I'm throwing my karma down the toilet here but domestic-sourced airline terrorism has happened before. The TSA (edit: OK, whoever it was that scanned our bags and ran us through the metal detector, if it was not "the TSA") was unaware of 9/11 as well. Argue all you want that we should just tolerate the occasional 9/11-style (edit: or the random pipe bomb blowing out the side of the plane, cockpit doors can't p…

Have you ever been in line in a long TSA queue at a major airport? See anybody get scanned before getting in that line? With a coordinated attack across multiple airports, you could kill far more people just while they're standing in line to get their TSA gaterape procedure performed than you could by attacking while onboard an aircraft. The aircraft attack vector has already been played out. Lets keep sane regulatio…

you could kill the most just by mass shooting in a shopping mall, who needs an airport line.

yet we caught at least two people trying to blow up airplanes in the last ten years (shoe bomber and underwear bomber), why is that? why don't they just shoot up a grade school or a supermarket? (I'm asking honestly here. why airplanes?)

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#57
post #5

Free cavity searches for all. Taxpayer dollars at work right there.

in fact your probably paying ~$2.50 per flight to get fondled and berated at the airport - ever noticed that "September 11th Security Fee" when you buy a ticket...

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#58
post #7

I know I'm throwing my karma down the toilet here but domestic-sourced airline terrorism has happened before. The TSA (edit: OK, whoever it was that scanned our bags and ran us through the metal detector, if it was not "the TSA") was unaware of 9/11 as well. Argue all you want that we should just tolerate the occasional 9/11-style (edit: or the random pipe bomb blowing out the side of the plane, cockpit doors can't p…

Have you ever been in line in a long TSA queue at a major airport? See anybody get scanned before getting in that line? With a coordinated attack across multiple airports, you could kill far more people just while they're standing in line to get their TSA gaterape procedure performed than you could by attacking while onboard an aircraft. The aircraft attack vector has already been played out. Lets keep sane regulatio…

It's a less effective tactic, though. More people are terrified by the thought of being blown out of the sky than they are of being blown out of a long, boring line.

Airline terrorism plays against people's innate fears, and is therefore more effective.

Re: TSA Admits In Leaked Doc: No Evidence of Terrorist Plots Against Aviation in US

#60
post #2

...But as you can see, Senator, there is also no evidence of the guaranteed absence of terrorist plots either. They are obviously even better hidden than we feared. Increased resources will be required to bring them to light. Our department has drafted a new budget proposal that takes this changed situation into account.

Let's be honest -- if they really wanted more funding, it'd be much easier just to fake some threats to warrant more public support, Operation Northwoods style -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Thanks for the link. People somehow don't realize that no one was punished by losing job/savings/reputation/credibility for even proposing such a sabotage. Kennedy merely "rejected" proposal which gives his office zero credibility on how he handled possible similar proposals. In the governments incentives are all inverted: bad stuff is not risky to attempt and it gives great rewards.
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