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If it was wrong to prosecute Alan Turing for being gay, and right to pardon him, then they should pardon every other gay man convicted of homosexual acts.
... if the only problem with the acts in question was that they were homosexual.
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This "good reason" makes no sense whatsoever. It's somebody's poor attempt at doublespeak. Pardons are not a coverup.
It seems like a good reason to me. They couldn't pardon him when it mattered, and now they want to puff themselves up with how magnanimous and tolerant they are, just when it doesn't matter? Screw that! The pardon doesn't serve anybody's interests but their own, it simply uses what was done to Turing to enhance their own political reputation. Reminds me of the mormons baptising dead jews - it is actually offensive.
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I said majority of people, not Americans. My statement stands correct. Look at what other countries have done to recently stem gay culture: Russia recently passed a unanimous (436-0) vote which banned gay propaganda[1]. Homosexuals acceptance is pushed hard in the western media, but don't let that skew your worldview. Reactionary responses are not uncommon. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-b…
So, how are things waaaay over there on the wrong side of history?
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The problem arises that the legality of marriage was designed around traditional families. There's nothing that stops homosexuals from fulfilling their emotional, romantic, and other needs. But when you involved tax deductions because children are such an expensive commitment, it gets hairy. I do support civil unions (but not gay adoption), and I am tolerant of gays (I discuss these issues with friends who are gay),…
You do realize that if the definition of marriage had never changed, then interracial marriages would still be illegal, right?
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I believe this is the bill they are debating, it seems specific to Alan Turing: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/alanturingstatut... (tangent: this is a pretty neat site, does anybody know if there is similar for US Congress?)
http://www.govtrack.us/ For example, the most recent immigration bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s744
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I said majority of people, not Americans. My statement stands correct. Look at what other countries have done to recently stem gay culture: Russia recently passed a unanimous (436-0) vote which banned gay propaganda[1]. Homosexuals acceptance is pushed hard in the western media, but don't let that skew your worldview. Reactionary responses are not uncommon. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-b…
I have registered an account on HN simply to respond to you. You are a despicable piece of worthless trash. Thank you.
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So, how are things waaaay over there on the wrong side of history?
You keep arguing with logical fallacies, but I'll respond anyway. Russia is doing quite well and just became the 5th largest economy[1]. They also have a news station (Russia Today) which reports on real issues - unlike western "mainstream" media. You act as if Russia is some backwater slump and not a growing modern nation. Meanwhile the western world is teetering into bankruptcy. You won't know which side of history…
It's possible that some day the entire world will despise homosexuality, or that the entire world will be fine with it. Both of those scenarios could happen regardless of whether countries currently on one side or the other end up as the world powers.
Personally I believe that gay rights will keep on improving, not get worse, and therefore you are on the wrong side of history. But I could be wrong about that, so it's fine if you disagree with my prediction. Just, disagree with it using relevant logic, not unrelated situations.
They should pardon all the people convicted under that law. Not just the famous, useful ones.
WTF?! Debate?! What is there to debate?? This is why I(/we) hate most politicians.