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Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by babarock »

barry-cotter wrote: post #33
ErrantX wrote: post #15

I don't think anything has touched me this deeply for years. I even got a little teary (which is rare for me). A lot of this I can relate to. School was hell for me, and I still struggle to forgive the adults around me during that period who, despite knowing what I (and others) faced, failed us utterly. Of course, school is rough and tumble - but when things went too far they sympathised, and in some rare cases talke…

But what can we do? Kids will be kids, eh? End age based classes would be a good start.

I completely agree that age-based classes is stupid. But what's the alternative?

The idea of classifying 5 year old kids based on any kind of factor scares the hell out of me.

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by robinh »

petercooper wrote: post #36

Going off on a tangent here, but do people who are good at sports often suffer long term bullying at school? I wasn't bullied at school, IMHO (nothing physical, the odd bit of name calling.. which they got back ;-)) but it seemed as if people who were into sports avoided every hassle, including the sportier geeks who were in the football team, etc. Looking back, I have to wonder if there's something about being activ…

I think it may very well be the other way around. Example: I used to do sports. Then the bullies came. Then I stopped doing sports because that's where they were.

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by InclinedPlane »

brador wrote: post #39
manicdee wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not punish the kid defending himself with a chair? Not punish the kid hitting back at someone who was bullying him? Not punish the kid who beat up the bully? It actually helps to have some idea of what's going on in the school yard, ask witnesses what was going on, and IF KIDS COMPLAIN ABOUT BULLYING DON'T TELL THEM TO GET OVER IT. "You're not making an effort to fit in" is blaming the victim. I'm not making the fuck…

Evidence. Bullies are very careful to cover their tracks, they know the limits of the system, verbal bullying is usually ignored as is physical intimidation. And then it's one kids word against the others + one kid holding a chair. With the above, a reasonable adult, considering evidence, has no choice but to "arrest" the kid with the chair, since the other has done no wrong other than verbal + possible pushing. The…

Expel the bullies, force them out of the system. The government has an obligation to educate children, it does not have an obligation to educate bullies. If your child is a bully then you, as a parent, need to fix that if you want them to be able to be educated.

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

#54

Post by robinh »

duopixel wrote: post #50

I'd like to read an honest account from a former bully who matured into a fully functional adult. To this day I don't understand the motivation of terrorizing other kids. I've met some former bullies but it seems that they either don't remember or don't want to deal with understanding it themselves.

Not a bully, but a bullied person who is still forced to sometimes interact with his former bullies. In my case, these people are quite functional in society, and when confronted laugh it off - seeing it is one big joke that isn't to be taken too seriously.

It may be understandable that to this day, I honestly still feel my blood boil when bullying gets mentioned.

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by polymatter »

brador wrote: post #39
manicdee wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not punish the kid defending himself with a chair? Not punish the kid hitting back at someone who was bullying him? Not punish the kid who beat up the bully? It actually helps to have some idea of what's going on in the school yard, ask witnesses what was going on, and IF KIDS COMPLAIN ABOUT BULLYING DON'T TELL THEM TO GET OVER IT. "You're not making an effort to fit in" is blaming the victim. I'm not making the fuck…

Evidence. Bullies are very careful to cover their tracks, they know the limits of the system, verbal bullying is usually ignored as is physical intimidation. And then it's one kids word against the others + one kid holding a chair. With the above, a reasonable adult, considering evidence, has no choice but to "arrest" the kid with the chair, since the other has done no wrong other than verbal + possible pushing. The…

Ok, as a teacher you come into the classroom and the normally shy kid with glasses is standing there angrily over the popular, loud, boisterous kid who looks shocked. Do you really need to call NCIS? I don't think its unreasonable to suggest you know exactly whats going on here.

(hint: the shy kid probably did not suddenly decide right this moment to pop up and decide to fight for alpha status)

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by uriloran »

manicdee wrote: post #32
brador wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you have liked the adults to do to solve the problem? What could they have done?

Not punish the kid defending himself with a chair? Not punish the kid hitting back at someone who was bullying him? Not punish the kid who beat up the bully? It actually helps to have some idea of what's going on in the school yard, ask witnesses what was going on, and IF KIDS COMPLAIN ABOUT BULLYING DON'T TELL THEM TO GET OVER IT. "You're not making an effort to fit in" is blaming the victim. I'm not making the fuck…

I really like the english "he had seen it coming". Sometimes it would be best not punishing people that just fought back (even if they fought back with violence against non violent bullying).

Problem is though who has the right to decide if it was just or not. This sadly always leads to unjust sentences.

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by polymatter »

marvin wrote: post #47
arethuza wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't all justice systems ultimately based on the threat of violence from the state?

Yes - one of the central tenets of the rule of law is that the state has monopoly on violence, which is enforced by the police and the courts.

But in school thats not true. The bully has the monopoly on violence, which is enforced by actually committing said violence.

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by Nux »

sw007 wrote: post #14
michaelgrafl wrote: post #7

Very impressive piece of work. But what the hell with the UI of this website? It can't find a link to the respective Youtube site, nor can I click the annotations. It looks really nice, but it's not very usable like that.

Yes sorry about this. The site - GetInspired365 has two parts to it. One part which is a daily dose of inspiration, and another which is where users can submit inspiring things they've found - a user has posted this video on to the site and not included the source and as such may be a bit frustrating. The original source is here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltun92DfnPY

THANK YOU for the youtube link! The original site made my blood pressure go up and my damn browser freeze. Beautiful clip!

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by InclinedPlane »

redact207 wrote: post #2

Too melodramatic, but I love the animation style.

I disagree. Bullying in public schools has one of the biggest impacts on social, cultural, and personal development. It's not just "a thing that happens" and has no effect, it's ubiquitous and it has a profound negative effect on millions upon millions of people. We give it short shrift so often because we have become inured to it. Too often we think it's just an inescapable fact of life, but it's not.

Re: Bullying has to stop, now.

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Post by polymatter »

rytis wrote: post #46
jbrooksuk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likewise. I remember being backed against a wall, lads a lot bigger around me. I was lifted up the wall punched in the stomach, looked up and saw the teacher almost with fear in her face, too scared to stand up for a student. Not all of my teachers were like that thankfully, but that is the root of the problem. Teachers are too scared to deal with incidents like mine.

Can they? At least in the UK you get the stupid "child rights/abuse" nonsense as soon as they try any sort of disciplinary action... Ant the bullies well aware of this situation.

Yes, they can, and the teacher can also get into trouble for not defending children too. Some bullies when they are 15 can be terrifying which is I think the real reason teachers don't confront them. The bullies aren't criminal masterminds and legal experts, they just claim foul on all discipline.
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