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Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Is the Gemini CLI still terrible compared to Claude Code and Codex? The harness the main thing holding back Google models as they could've been the best given all the advantages in compute capacity and training data they initially had, where now even the Google CEO said they're falling behind in agentic tasks, which is sort of a vicious cycle because RLHF relies on human usage.

There is no Gemini CLI anymore, nor you can use Gemini with your own harness unless you pay per-token.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

#52

Wow this comes after what - 3 or 4 weeks since 3.7 Flash, which was also 3 or 4 weeks after 3.6 Flash IIRC? I eagerly wait more info but sounds like Deepmind without Demis calling the shots has been unleashed and are operating at full speed? Shocker! At this point it is a meme of course, but where is 3.5 Pro :)

According to the WSJ, 3.5 Pro is reportedly being skipped entirely, making Gemini 4 the next flagship model after post-training.

https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/2094937419615502370

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

#54

Currently top at https://deepswe.datacurve.ai - beating Opus 5! https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash shows an intelligence score of 59, the same as Opus 5 medium! Wow - for a flash model this seems to benchmark powerfully. Remains to be seen what it is like to use.

The rumor is that 3.9 is an equal improvement in all directions, and that it should be another fast follow on like 3.7 and 3.8 were.

It's almost across the board better than Terra at less than half the price. 3.9 is likely to approach Sol at the 1/10th the price.

Hopefully OpenAI releases Astra first, and it's not only better than Sol but significantly cheaper, too.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

#55

Looks like Google's given up on frontier models for external consumption?

Latest rumor is that 3.5 pro was struggling to be meaningfully better than flash, since iterations on flash were moving much faster than iterations on pro, likely due to model size (flash is estimated to be in the 200-400B range).

I found 3.5 pro to be much better than 3.5 flash, but 3.7 flash with high reasoning is comparable and way way faster.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Currently top at https://deepswe.datacurve.ai - beating Opus 5! https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash shows an intelligence score of 59, the same as Opus 5 medium! Wow - for a flash model this seems to benchmark powerfully. Remains to be seen what it is like to use.

The benchmark also doesn't include speed. You almost think something has gone wrong when using it because it returns full responses so incredibly fast.

Not just speed, also reliability. IME, Gemini's speed and quality doesn't degrade badly during weekday working hours compared to OAI, and especially Anthropic.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDK if it's smaller, but I know it's way faster. In one test I did, Flash 3.7 high was ~9.4x faster than Luna High. But, also... Sol crushes Flash 3.7 at writing code in a codebase of any size beyond "tiny". Flash is my go-to for prototyping, and basically anything that isn't writing production code.

The only company with a proper TPU set-up is bound to have the fast models, now add a market cap like Google to the mix.

They've been my bet to win the AI race for a while. I was starting to doubt, but this 3.6, 3.7, and 3.8 arc has anchored me.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

#58

Currently top at https://deepswe.datacurve.ai - beating Opus 5! https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash shows an intelligence score of 59, the same as Opus 5 medium! Wow - for a flash model this seems to benchmark powerfully. Remains to be seen what it is like to use.

On artificial analysis it's only equal to opus 5 medium effort. Opus 5 max scores 63.

Further, opus 5 medium outputs 4x fewer tokens to achieve the same result, negating a lot of the speed difference.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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post #50

And yet again another failed launch from Google. I pay for their AI plus Google one package to get more cloud storage (have no interest in their AI bundle but you have to pay). and all I see in the Gemini app is 3.6-flash

Google has been doing staged roll outs on all their products since forever.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

#60

Currently top at https://deepswe.datacurve.ai - beating Opus 5! https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash shows an intelligence score of 59, the same as Opus 5 medium! Wow - for a flash model this seems to benchmark powerfully. Remains to be seen what it is like to use.

We'll see about that. I suspect benchmaxxing as all the labs do as I haven't found Gemini models to be nearly as good in agentic engineering compared to Claude or GPT models.

And the benchmarks agreed with you... until now.

So, yes, maybe it's still not - but this would be the only time it would be highly suspicious / obvious benchmaxxing / obviously bad benchmarks.

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