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Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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I don't think age restriction will impact FOSS in the long term. If there are some regulations that threaten FOSS now, they are going to be adopted in the long term. Regulations for age restriction are understandable. A lot of modern technology is harming kids (and I don't mean dirty videos, social media seems to be much more harmful). A sensible regulator would leave some responsibility to the parents, but require r…

I strongly disagree. There are no kids in my household, and no one else ever uses my devices, so the idea that I need to prove that I'm not a kid for me to be able to pay bills or file taxes on a stock device is ridiculous.

I don't understand the force of that argument. Where is the "so" coming from?

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in the offline world that is not the case. Ex. Alkohol sales

In many areas, this is left up to the parents - minors can't buy alcohol at stores, but parents are legally allowed to give alcohol to their children to drink.

You could always sign your kid into tik tok to avoid age restrictions if you want. Same thing

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in the offline world that is not the case. Ex. Alkohol sales

In many areas, this is left up to the parents - minors can't buy alcohol at stores, but parents are legally allowed to give alcohol to their children to drink.

So we don't leave it all up to the parents: parents can give it, but minors also can't buy it regardless of parental views.

Also give it to your kids too often and the state can step in.

Defense in depth

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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"LLM-assisted code review won't be a huge disruptor" is quite the prediction. Because it already is in a very big way. The take on LLMs seems incredibly out of date and out of touch with reality. (Which of course, has moved/advanced very fast the past months/year)

Did you continue reading? His argument is exactly that, like all the previous model checkers, LLM's are going to give us some bugs for a while. Then that is going to stop.

His argument is not that they aren't going to find any bugs, but rather that at some point those bugs will be fixed. At which point we will continue on as usual.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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> my personal guess is that the opportunities for anonymity on the Internet will shrink until mothers no longer are forced to have “the talk” when their daughters get their first mobile phone. As the parent of a daughter, I am totally on board with that.

depends on the age but.. they've probably discovered all kinds of shit already or heard about it from others

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

#57

First read of this pissed me off, but subsequent reads gave a much different opinion. Do yourself a favor and read this, a few times, and take a moment to actually try and see what the author's getting at.

And please remember that Poul-Henning is an old-hat and well respected in the field, he's also not a product of American culture. Consider that he might have some useful insight that covers some blindspots your particular culture might not.

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Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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post #49
post #23

I don't think age restriction will impact FOSS in the long term. If there are some regulations that threaten FOSS now, they are going to be adopted in the long term. Regulations for age restriction are understandable. A lot of modern technology is harming kids (and I don't mean dirty videos, social media seems to be much more harmful). A sensible regulator would leave some responsibility to the parents, but require r…

I strongly disagree. There are no kids in my household, and no one else ever uses my devices, so the idea that I need to prove that I'm not a kid for me to be able to pay bills or file taxes on a stock device is ridiculous.

Is anyone proposing age verification to file taxes? I'd hope you already have to provide some sort of stronger proof of identity to file a tax return anyway.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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He really seems to think he made some deep insight on the "bubble" that he seems so confident about.

> So, it is not obvious to me who will be training new iterations of these models once the current bubble explodes, in particular if the returns are diminishing the way I have experienced.

It looks like he has no clue on how market equilibriums work. He really seems to think LLM's will just like.. stop existing.

So in their world, people would suddenly realise that AI is actually not that economic and we can't have Opus 4.8 quality models just with updated knowledge cutoff perpetually. So in his future, things won't just stall, they will literally go back.

He's really putting his emotional weight on this particular kind of future.

Either that or he's making nebulous emotional claims - its his blog so he can do it.

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